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Rance wuz here...
Thursday, 28 October 2004
An E-Mail
Tomorrow is the grand finale of the PTI series. After that we've got some other swell stuff lined up. Today I'm going to share an e-mail I received. Its sender would be happy if you read it as well. To those of you who'll complain of the bias implicit in my decision to share it: This is my damn blog. I'd be well within my rights to go into the rename function thing and rename it "Bring Back Chairman Mao Blog" if I felt like it. To all of you: Please vote. There are some decent civic reasons to do it, plus everyone who does gets a DVP.

Happy Halloween,

R

****

Dear {Rance},

In less than one week, America will conduct what political pundits like to call "the only poll that matters." But, as Election Day fast approaches, polls give us a clear sense of our main tasks in the final days of this campaign.

We all know the bottom line. This is a remarkably close election -- both nationally and in one battleground state after another. There is little question that our get-out-the-vote efforts will decide whether John Kerry or George W. Bush leads America for the next four years.

Friday is the last day for you to contribute online to help fund these make or break efforts. The get-out-the-vote program must be fully funded by Friday. So please make a contribution to the Democratic Party today.

https://www.democrats.org/support/kerry.html

It is my responsibility to analyze polling data for the campaign. Because of the special role that you have played in this campaign, I want to take this opportunity to share some observations:

George Bush appears to have hit a ceiling of support at 47-48%. During the past several weeks, he has tried to break through this ceiling by attacking John Kerry. This strategy has failed, and he is running up against the clock. An incumbent president who cannot break through the 50% barrier is going to find it very difficult to win reelection.

Young voters are overwhelmingly supporting John Kerry and are one of his strongest voting blocks. This year millions of new young Americans have registered to vote, and their turnout on Election Day will be one of the deciding factors.

Almost every poll, public and private, has John Kerry doing even better in the key battleground states than in the national horserace.
This election is going to come down to the wire. Turnout on Election Day is going to decide this election. We need to make sure that the Democratic Party has the resources necessary to mobilize every voter in battleground states. Again, every piece of polling data that I have seen indicates that this effort will decide this election.

I know that you are told repeatedly, "you can make the difference." Every day I analyze polling data and I can assure that is not just a line. This year everything that each one of us does and gives in the next six days will make all the difference. Let's make history.

https://www.democrats.org/support/kerry.html

Thank you,

Mark Mellman

Posted by captainhoof at 4:01 AM CDT
Updated: Thursday, 28 October 2004 11:35 AM CDT
Post Comment | View Comments (57) | Permalink

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 11:51 AM CDT

Name: Dianne
Home Page: http://www.daffodillane.com

Tell 'em! As I keep telling people on my blog that complain if you don't like what you're reading leave!

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 11:56 AM CDT

Name: Nicole

I am looking forward to the other swell stuff you all have lined up...I thought that the PTI story was all that would be left of the blog...rest assured that I one of your readers will be voting, maybe not who you would like for me to vote for...eventhough I have always been a registered Democrat. Take care Rance, staff and all.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:24 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

Within the last year a person called into a radio program and made the following sarcastically snide statement: "John Kerry will be elected president when the Boston Red Sox win the World Series." One hurdle down. One to go.

-Bubba

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:31 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld
Home Page: http://www.flyrchld@mindsay.com

Yeppers, I got that one too.
I voted, over a week ago, for Kerry.

The Red Sox pulled through, now WE need to.

God Bless.

fly

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:42 PM CDT

Name: Democrat for Bush

LOL, this email is almost satire! I voted for Clinton twice and Gore in 2000, when Gore lost I was very upset and it has been my goal until this campaign started was to rid the whitehouse of the pretender in cheif. However when the party decided to have John Kerry as our candidate things within me began to stir, I could not in clear conscience vote for this man. His wishy washy attitude, his blatent fabrications and lack of conviction will have me Voting to relect the President. I urge you all to follow suit as I believe our President will help maintain our nations security!

Thanks for you time, and continued good luck with your career!

Badger

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:42 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Happy Halloween to you as well...

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:53 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Oh, and speaking of Halloween...if one were to go dressed up as "Rance" what do you recommend one should wear???

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:59 PM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Unfortunately non-Americans are not allowed to support any of the candidates. So I'm afraid that the best that I can do is post a copy of this on my blog, if you don't mind.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 12:59 PM CDT

Name: Sass

I don't want a dvp, I want John Kerry as President.

Hopefully the polls are completely overlooking the cell phone angle and it will be a landslide for Kerry.
OK, well, at least a good strong win!
It bothers me that this is such a sense of violence between the parties.

Once again Rance makes sense to me. Not because he is Rance, but the bottom line.....I just agree.

Good luck to Kerry AND to those working at the polls. Must be a hard job and this election seems like it's the roughest yet.

later

S

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 1:30 PM CDT

Name: Curious Girl

Thanks for the message R,

Rest assured that there are many folks in the Great White North and other countries around the world who have their fingers crossed for the Democrats.

Wish we could vote too.

Happy Halloween everyone!

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 1:36 PM CDT

Name:

Dear Supporter,

What kind of country do we want to wake up to on
November 3?

That's the question each of us must ask ourselves as we enter the final 36 hours of the most important fundraising drive in Democratic Party history.

It is hard to imagine America making a choice that could matter more than this one -- not just because the contest is so close, but because the differences between the candidates are so stark. Make no mistake about it, four more years of George W. Bush in the White House would spell disaster on many of the issues that you and I care about the most.

That's why, whatever issues you care about, you must have one overriding priority right now -- helping win powerful, persuasive victories for John Kerry and other Democratic candidates five days from now.

Our final fundraising deadline of the campaign is tomorrow night:

https://www.democrats.org/support/kerry.html

If you're concerned about making America stronger and more respected in the world, we need you to step forward now. If you believe that turning a blind eye to the mistakes President Bush has made will only deepen our dilemma in Iraq, we need you to step forward now.

If you think that President Bush's obsession with tax cuts for the wealthy is risking our economic future, we need you to step forward now. If you know we can do better creating jobs and solving America's health care problems, we need you to step forward now.

If you want to protect the future of Social Security, we need you to step forward now. If you want to safeguard the balance and integrity of the Supreme Court, we need you to step forward now. If you realize that four more years of Bush's environmental assaults will devastate America's natural resources, we need you to step forward now.

Step forward now:

https://www.democrats.org/support/kerry.html

Here's the reality. Whatever issues you care about, whichever concerns are closest to your heart, the single most important step you can take right now is helping John Kerry and other Democratic candidates win on November 2. Let's not wake up on November 3 realizing that you could have made all the difference in the world.

Thank you,

John Edwards

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:08 PM CDT

Name: Ms Lauren
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mslauren2930/

already voted. and, for anyone from my home town, please vote NO on the parking deck!!!!

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:20 PM CDT

Name: Lanie

I also have already voted. But thanks to Mark for contributing this valuable information. It is so true.

Rance: you have always done what you wanted with this blog, and we're still here lovin' it.

Happy Halloween everybody!

L

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:20 PM CDT

Name: Bard

Thanks for the October surprise, Rance. I'm still waiting for that other one.

Remember folks, there are some tight races going on in the Senate and the House, which could actually result in a change in the majority leadership for both. (As the Sox have ascended, I'm thinking one former Phillie is going down.) So, punch holes in all the boxes, etc.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:24 PM CDT

Name: Sass

See this is what I do not understand. He is not wishy washy at all! Where does this come from? The Republicans have drummed the wrong messages into your head. If you truly LISTEN to John Kerry, he is not wishy washy. He is simply a man talking lotsa' good common sense. A thinking man who, is not afraid to change his mind as situations change and a change might be called for. I want this type of man in charge, myself. Not a non-thinking idiotic robot with his hand hovering over the big red button. Don't you? And why not?
What fabrications?
And Bush has not fabricated on anything? Please explain this to me.
Lack of convictions about what?
He seems completely full of convictions about things that are important to all of us.............I'm sorry....Will you PLEASE explain this to me? I have seriously wanted to ask one person, voting for Bush, to please give me one speck of good sense as to why they are doing it? Not wanting to start a huge fight..........This may be the only place we can discuss this calmly and not cause a big scene.

NOW please tell me why?

If I could only turn ONE vote towrds Kerry here at Rance, it would be worth it. Both my children and their friends were for Bush when this all started. The reason, ...they are all "Youth for Christ" church goers in the South. I don't know if this is as big nationwide as it is in the South, but here it's become a major "thing to do"......I spoke to their group several times and I'm thrilled to say they are Kerry kids now. There is this religious scam going on against Kerry that is just a bunch of bull.....all these kids were voting for Bush because they had been told Kerry was not a Christian.....that was it....that was their only reason...

They watched several speeches Kerry has made. They watched Barack Obama and the whole Demo convention and then they ALL watched the debates...

They swung towards Kerry...I only asked that they listen and watch and chose for themselves.....they did..


So PLEASE, explain why anyone would pick Bush?

PLEASE.


later

Sass

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:41 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

Yes, let's all vote for a man who let close to 400 tons of weapons slip thru his fingers in the same way he let Osama Bin Laden slip thru his fingers. Let's reelect a man who wasn't protecting our national security to begin with, and is only trying to protect his ever growing wallet. Haliburton, Waterhouse...all have their hands in money being spent on their behalf in Iraq, and they also hold hands with Bush and Cheney. Let's reelect a man who has divided and split our country like rotten fruit, let's reelect a man who has turned the entire global muslim community to hate us "americans" and wish us all dead, let's reelect a man who has turned the rest of the democratic globe against us. Let's reelect a man who turns a blind eye to the hundreds of thousands of people dying from need of food, shelter, and medicine in Sudan, but keeps asking for and spending billions upon billions of dollars to fight a war that gets more and more out of control everyday. Let's reelect the next great dictator who's only desire is to rule the world under an iron fist of fear.

He sure is aces in my book.

A group of men, all vets with no obligation or attachments to Kerry who just wanted to see for themselves, went to the village in Vietnam where his "wishy washy, did it really happen, or not" story of battle took place oh so many years ago. They asked the villagers who remembered what happened, in their own words to describe that day. Their stories matched, 100 percent, the stories Kerry tells. When asked some of the names of his lesser known friends during his "service" in the military, Pres. Bush couldn't remember a single one. He couldn't remember any of the names of the places that he hung out at either, no bars, no restaurants, no friends to ask?

You can't call one man wishy washy, and a frabricator, without seeing that the other is even more so, especially after the last four years. But it's nice to know that you are voting.

8 million more women vote then men,

Bubba

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 2:49 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld
Home Page: http://www.flyrchld@mindsay.com

Wishy washy attitude? Blatant fabrications? Lack of conviction?
read a little more.

Some suggestions:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/25/contra/index_np.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6262620/site/newsweek/

Poke a visit to factcheck.org... you'll find out a lot of interesting things about both candidates.

as for Kerry being wishy washy? About what? A person who makes a mistake should be willing to concede the mistake and improve, not like our President, who still, despite all the evidence to the contrary, refuses to admit mistakes or failure and is stubbornly and Bullheadedly continuing to make the same mistakes... and it's literally killing people.

I really can't believe you voted for Clinton and Gore and this year, with all the ignorance Bush has shown, you are now planning on giving him your vote... Why did you vote for the others in the past? Or have your priorities changed? That would make it more understandable.


Whatever you do, God Bless you, because at least you are going to vote...

Only a few days remain my friends... if you can't give money, give time... help people to the polls, a friend,
www.nomad@midsay.com has a wonderful list of suggestions on her Oct 27 entry, check it out.

Vote.

We Can Do This.

Kerry/Edwards 2004

and

fly


Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 3:01 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

Wait a second, I was just thinking about it, and we never did hear what made our boy get all pissy and vinegary, enough to develop rancid reflux disease a few weeks back. I hope it's not hurting his singing career. Will we ever find out? Is it one of the up coming swell pieces in the line up?

-B

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 3:02 PM CDT

Name: feenxc

helloooo, rance! glad to hear from you again...we miss you. can't wait to see what comes next. hope you'll be a part of it, since d-day is next week. loved pti, even tho i almost had a nervous breakdown. and...even tho i wrote the next to last piece, i am so anxious to see how this all turns out. go, rocker!

happy halloween to all. hope you have a spine-tingling good time.

kisshugs

nastrovia

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 4:05 PM CDT

Name: Susanna

Vote, don't lose your chance. I would if I could but I can't because I'm British. So pick the right guy because the impact will be felt over here (and the President and our PM have to agree with each other of course). I'll be watching the coverage....good luck.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 4:22 PM CDT

Name: Roberta Green

Fellow Bloggers:

I too have been involved in this election since day one. I work for a political consulting firm that has made many of the commercials for MoveOn, the 527 responsible for a lot of the get-out-the-vote work and also the Vote For Change Tour.
I can't stress enough the importance of voting on November 2nd. We can and will make a difference in this election. I still believe there are under handed efforts going on to "steal" this election and the more votes there are for Kerry, the harder it will be for anyone to change the outcome.
Please, make voting your priority on Tuesday.
Rance & Mark (Mellman) thanks for the efforts and support!!!!

Roberta

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 5:48 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

Bubba, you don't loot 300 plus tons of anything. That's 40 semi's worth of items. It was gone before we got there. The story is about 18 months old, and being recycled by the NYT because it's run by a man that said to his dad that he wished American's died in Vietnam, not the VC. Becareful where you get your "news" from! No one credible back's Kerry (unless you have a thing for Michael Moore... even he wouldn't have touched this story with a 10 foot pole).

And Osama... uh huh. He let him slip away... yeah. Keep saying that until you feel REALLY bitter as Hillary runs in '08. No one let him get away. Don't crap on our troops like that. I think the man's been dead for a year or more. When his face stopped appearing on tape, only a voice, it was to keep it from being known he was either severly wounded, sick, or bedridden. Otherwise a video would provide final proof.

He's probably assumed room temprature and recorded voice announcements for all sorts of future possibilities. If I wanted to screw with my enemy, I'd record all sorts of things that suggest I'm still alive. How many things could you sit down and brain storm on, then talk about on tape so it would SEEM like you're still alive and kicking? While we waste resources looking for ONE PERSON, we could be using them to kill 5 other terrorists.

Going after Osama was one step, and we went after him by way of his staff. 75% are toast. If I were Osama, I'd want to be like a ghost, making my enemy waste time looking for me while buying time for my other AQ members. That's one possible situation, who knows...

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 5:51 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

That letter from the shakedown lawyer gave me gas and a case of herpes that itches like a mo fo.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 6:40 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://www.blogula-rasa.com

Yay! 28 DVPs for me. That's 34 DVPs Canadian. My hubby works for a Canadian company. I'm just sayin'.

Thank you for passing along the email. I know that this discussion will infuriate some folks, but it has to be done. Somehow we have to break through the denial of facts, the repudiation of truth, and the wholesale rejection of reality. It's not about hatred for Bush, it's that we don't have warm, fuzzy blinders on about him. We see him for what he is: a blinking, smirking, untrustworthy ex-party boy with very, very scary friends. He can't be bothered to do his own background reading or ask questions in his briefings, because he just goes on his gut and his faith. Frankly, not good enough.

Yeah, I've been blogging about being a member of the reality-based community for a while now. See Ron Suskind's excellent article for more on that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=890a96189e162076&ex=1255665600&partner=rssuserland

Astoundingly, it appears that there are not just two Americas, there are two *realities*. With two wildly divergent belief systems, one based on fact, and the other based on faith.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_9_29_04.html

Bizarrely enough, in the above article, many of Bush's loyal partisans actually believe he is in favor of some issues that they favor, when in fact he actually opposes them. A significant percentage, for example, think Bush supports the Kyoto accords, when in fact his opposition was widely reported. They think he supported the 9/11 Commission, when in fact he actively opposed it, stonewalled as long as he could before testifying under tightly controlled conditions, and now reaps the political benefits of it.

Apparently, the man can do no wrong, even when he's caught on tape (Quicktime and possible Salon.com nag screen):

http://anon.salon.speedera.net/anon.salon/media/2004/10/BushUncensored.mov

And this popped up today: A former ghostwriter for Bush now says that an invasion of Iraq was on Bush's mind before 9/11... before he was even *elected*.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761

Apparently, a lot of it (the Eye-rack thing) has to do with his frustration over being a floater in a family of heavy-weights. His lawyers 86'ed the ghostwriter's nearly completed bio when they decided it was too negative and put Bush's "floundering" businesses in an unflattering light, but the guy was using Bush's own words. Karen Hughes did the re-write and cleaned it up but good. There's clear evidence that an invasion of Iraq was on the "to-do" list back in the earliest days of the first campaign. After all, if you succeed in pulling off "a short, victorious war," you're golden for a second term.

And there's always the excellent Media Matters site for just about everything:

http://mediamatters.org/

And now, so we can all relax and forget the political tensions of the day, let's all get out our bubblewrap and pop, pop, pop our cares away:

http://uk.download.yahoo.com/ne/fu/attachments/bubblewrap.swf






Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 6:50 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld
Home Page: http://www.flyrchld@mindsay.com

The story may be old, but it doesn't change a whole lot. Mishandling of this war is not nor ever should be blamed on the troops, when are the Bushites going to get that out of their heads? Any mistakes made are the fault of the Administration, but wait, THIS admin doesn't make mistakes..OK. sure.

Your response is still insufficient to convince a five year old that Bush is worthy of re-election, but of course, it sounds like the regurgitations of Fox News and their Totally Unbiased Media... Next you'll be throwing Clinton's affair at us, isn't that the usual tactic. And what the heck are you talking about Hilary for? What does that have to do with letting Osama get away? I guess I should get my daily dose of O'Reilly or Rush, there's probably a link between them there...

I've become weary of the crap the American People are getting by the shovelful from Bush, his Admin. and Fox to name just a few. I know Bush isn't altogether a bad person and I don't want to hold it against him personally I just don't want him to stay in the White House.

Rance, Captain Hoof and A.S. thanks for letting me rant on your site. Keep up the good work.

Rance, we miss you.

fly

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 7:14 PM CDT

Name: Lora

Rance, you always blow my mind. Thank you for posting this e-mail message. I already went out and voted. Since I'm a new citizen this was my very first time voting. I'm happy to let you know that you and your blog have been part of how I decided to vote. And let me tell you this: It was not an easy one to decide. Thank you, Rance!

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 7:22 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://www.blogula-rasa.com

75% of what number? It's meaningless without a total. It's the same tired statistic that keeps getting shouted at us, repetitively, every day.

Does Al Qaeda file a membership report? Gee, surely they're ISO 9000 certified.

Isn't it much more likely that we'll never know how many members and leaders there are, because they'll keep recruiting? And isn't it much more likely that our activities in Iraq are giving a boost to Al Queda's recruitment? And that other new groups are popping up too? It seems an expansion team is forming up now called Ansar Al Sunni-something or other. Who knows if Al Qaeda isactually operating in Iraq? It's way more likely it's that Jordanian doctor, Zarqawhi, and some teen fanboy recruits bent on getting to Paradise and the 70 virgins they've been promised for martyring themselves. He's more like an affiliate, ally or a franchisee than a full-own wholly owned Al Qaeda subsidiary.

As for Osama, hell yeah it's likely he's dead. But still you don't pull your Special Forces experts off the case in Afghanistan, send them off to Iraq on a wild-goose chase, and substitute a bunch of guys who don't speak the lingo and don't have the local knowledge or contacts built up over MONTHS of groundwork. The Special Forces guys would have had him, or gotten proof of his death, if they'd been left in-country to do the work they were trained for:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4889005-112564,00.html

If they found him, or proved beyond a doubt that he was dead, it would up our credibility, as a nation not to be messed with. We're not doing so good in that regard lately.

And it would be a nice smack in the face (or more likely, faces) of whoever is running Al Qaeda, which like a hydra grows 2 heads for every one you cut off. It's the nature of the beast.

You don't start a war in another country without damn good evidence, and if your evidence doesn't pan out you don't say "Well, we were wrong about why we originally went in there, but that Saddam was a bad guy and it's good he's gone."

That's like saying "Well, we didn't even make it to the playoffs, but how 'bout them Cubbies?"

It's a bullshit reason, because that's not why we went in there. We could have cared less when he was killing his own people and the Kurds. We went in there to settle some old bidness, and to open up a shiny new market for some new bidness. If it isn't all about the O'l, then why line up all your oil and gas contractors before you make sure you've got sufficient troops, supplies and materiel in place? And why guard only the o'l infrastructure, and not the cultural, financial, and military sites? Plus, there's a hint that part of our "reasoning" is based on apocalyptic visions of helping to hurry up Armageddon, the Second Coming, and Jeebus Himself coming back to Israel. Weird, strange, but there are a few people who actually believe this.

Because guess what? Our invasion of another sovereign country turns out to be the worlds' biggest illegal search and seizure, and there's no legal or moral justification for it whatsoever. But hey, we can't admit that because we must Support! Our! Troops!

You'd be surprised at what just how little support! our troops! are getting from our own government.

Start here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/ginmar/322336.html

http://www.kevinsites.net/

By the way, if you really want to support the troops, send them care packages (if body armor and armored vehicles are out of the question). Ginmar's unit really, really loves Fluff and will eat it out of a jar. They'd probably go nuts for Rice Krispy Treats.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 8:19 PM CDT

Name: Sir Nard Manhawk
Home Page: http://searian.blogspot.com

As you may (probably not) recall, I was rather indignant at the last politically related post on this blog. Not because I thought The Admin didn't have a right to post it, but because I merely wanted an opportunity to set the record straight.

A.S. hasn't e-mailed me about said chance, despite multiple checks in the mail.. I suppose they're floating in the abyss somewhere right next to my MIA Absentee ballot from a particularly close state, which I have yet to receive.

For those that complain about this one by Rance, you have to understand it's all part of the "Hollywood Celebrity" act. If he *didn't* come out to support John Kerry, or worse yet came out to support Bush, would you believe he was a celebrity? Of course not.

For my own mini bit of political commentary:

While I'm still waiting.. waiting.. waiting.. on my Absentee ballot to arrive, with the full knowledge even if it slipped in today it probably wouldn't get back in time... I still remain an undecided voter. (It's how we operate in those swing states. More of you should say that in polls, so the candidates will pay attention to you as well!)

The argument that a vote for Nader is a wasted vote is not new. Many believe it. On the eve of this election, I urge Bush and Kerry supporters to consider whether or not they are wasting a vote that could help change the system.

Third parties have served a constant role of forcing the powers at be into breaking their partisan deadlock and focus on oft ignored issues. This happens when people voice concerns for these issues (Just think about anything Bush and Kerry aren't talking about, or look up Third Party candidate's websites.)

The counter argument made by Bush and Kerry supporters is that this election is too close to call. This election is too important to "waste your vote" and hope it changes something. Okay, I'll cede that as a valid argument, if only to move past it and make my point.

With the current electoral college system, the states elect our president, not a flat out popular vote. Some states are up in the air -- New Mexico, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arizona, New Hampshire... These states are being barraged constantly by campaign ads, political visits, and grassroots campaigns on both sides. They will determine the election.

The rest of America is pretty solid. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Texas will go to Bush, or New York to Kerry. (Even then, the polling shows a massive gap that simply couldn't be made up even if the candidates tried -- and they're not.)

They call these Safe states. Think about that for a moment. The candidates aren't even going to bother trying in these states because they already know the results. They're just going to ignore them.

A Democrat in:
Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Alaska, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, or Georgia..

Is pretty much throwing their vote away by voting Kerry, because it will have no effect in the result of the election.

A Republican in:
Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Maryland, Washington DC, Illinois, California, Washington, or Hawaii --

is likely doing the same.
That's a lot of people who aren't being paid attention to by their candidates. That's a lot of people "throwing their votes away" by the same logic used against Ralph Nader by Democrats.

To say nothing of how being in a "safe state" and voting for the guy who is going to win it anyways may be a waste. (More debatable, but it should be considered.)

If you live in these states, stop in the voting booth and think about the big picture. If you know you're guy has no chance in that state, make a conscious decision and send a message. Vote third party. If enough people do this in "safe states," win or lose, it sends a message that cannot be ignored. Sure, the third party guy won't win, but it will force the parties to listen.

EVEN IF you think Kerry or Bush is best, following this strategy of voting 3rd party in Safe states is a GOOD way to protest the electoral college system, and force change.

(I reccomend visiting a polling site like www.electoral-vote.com to check if you are in a safe state and see for yourself. Also, check your state's voting history, particularly in close races. You'll be able to determine which is best.)

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 8:36 PM CDT

Name: fishouttawater

he's baaaacccckkkkkk! and with interesting news, as usual. weather report is rain on Tuesday, at least around these parts, but don't let that stop you. please, vote!

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 8:38 PM CDT

Name: waxwing

Rance,

It is very good indeed to see you again, commenting and doing your thing. I look forward to more.

Your forum has generated discussion from both sides of the aisle though now heavily leaning toward your own. Whether it the result of your own charisma or powers of persuasion or simply the dampening of the spirits by those who do not choose to voice an opinion contrary to the popular one is unknown. Nor does it matter at all: this is, as you say your ?own damn blog? ? if you can?t opine here, then where?

Bard made an excellent point about there being more positions than President to be filled. And we all need to remember that no president, not one, acts alone. We have three branches to our government. It will be another close election which means about 75% of the voters will be upset on Nov 3rd. Far better to decide now we will thoughtfully consider issues and actions and not waste constructive energy on post-election manipulative astroturf publicity ploys.

Good luck to us all.

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 9:19 PM CDT

Name: Lisa Marie

Hey Rance - welcome back, glad to see you posting, and thanks for posting the e-mail.

We need to get serious as a country and we need to get our collective assi off the couches and away from the computer screens and go down to the local town halls and grade schools and freakin' VOTE.

We are at a major turning point in our country and the world is changing very quickly and drastically. We need someone intellegent in office, someone who is not a puppet of his Daddy's friends.

I am afraid of what this country will look like if we have 4 more "W" years. This 4 were more than enough thank you.

Kerry/Edwards make so much more sense then Bush/Cheney on so many levels as many other fellow bloggers have posted already.

We need to show the politicians that we are not lazy, uncaring, GenX'ers (or whatever us 18-34's wanna call ourselves) We have to vote, cause once we get heard, they are going to have to pay attention.

Sorry to be on a soap box on this one, but it is so important, no matter what you vote, it is one of our greatest freedoms to be able to exercise.

Happy Halloween too!
Hugs & Kisses,
LM

Thursday, 28 October 2004 - 9:34 PM CDT

Name: kj4ever
Home Page: http://kj4ever.blogspot.com

Voting this year is kind of like getting an AIDS test. You don't really want to do it, but know you should because it is the responsible thing to do.

So if your a sexually active person you take the damn test and just pray for the best.

That's what I'm doing November 2. I'm waking into that booth, voting, and praying for the best.

I need a shower...

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 12:14 AM CDT

Name: Bubba

Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, And I quote: "There appear to be two periods of time when the 377 tons of high explosives missing from a military facility in Iraq could have been stolen or moved-in the weeks before the U.S. invasion began or several weeks in April after U.S. troops over-ran the Al-Qaqaa base and moved on to Baghdad. Iraqi officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency two weeks ago that the explosives vanished as a result of "theft and looting...due to lack of security." The ministry's letter said the explosives were stolen sometime after coalition forces took control of Baghdad on April 9, 2003." End Quote.

If Bin Laden is dead then why hasn't his holiness the great commander and chief of hunting, golfing and bad debate tactics said so? Why hasn't he said, "I have substantial proof right here in my mitten that states that he is dead." Maybe because, A. He isn't dead, or B. saying something that isn't provable has already gotten him in big badass trouble. Maybe Mikeee knows something we don't. Maybe Mikeee is a secret government operative sent to this website to steer us away from the truth. Bush is a robot, isn't he Mikeee?

Here's a story that Moore did touch with a ten foot pole: The airplane that flew Bin Laden's family that was living here in the U.S. out of the U.S. after 9/11 was....THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS PLANE!! Some random guy who watched F9/11 said, "I want to know who's plane that is." He copied the "airplane license plate" (I know that's not what they are, but it's better said that way) and looked it up. It's nice to help out our Saudi friends once in a while. I'm sure they paid for the gas and everything. In oil.

Crap on troops? I don't do that, there fearless "I've never faced combat myself" leader does. He lied in order to get them there. Oh and your favorite person big ol' Michael Moore put together a book of letters from guys over in Iraq and Bin Laden's back yard stating how used and betrayed they feel. It's not a little book with big print either.

Here's a Moore story. He was walking down a street in NYC and a marine came up to him and said, "I just want to say that I'm sorry to you because when you gave your acceptance speech at the Oscar's everyone on our ship booed you, including me. I hated you for the things that you said. Then I saw a bootleg copy of F9/11 and realized that I was wrong, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry." Moore said,"Please don't say that, I'm the one who's sorry." Yeah, I know he's not the greatest liberal propaganda maker, or is he? I think that he's kinda a whiny kid in person, but he looks for the answers that everyone else tries to avoid.

I get my news from CNN, the most trusted name in news...also from the BBC, the most trusted name in news that doesn't get stifled by our government. Also from newspapers, not the big ones..the little ones that hold no political agenda, because they are made for everyone from farmers to law professors. I read a lot of news, and I watch a lot of CNN, I'm not your average 26 year old female graduate who is paying off a hefty college loan while not doing what her degree says.

You have a way of writing that makes people feel like you are spitting in their faces, and calling them idiotic. I wouldn't do that to you, so please, have some respect mon. Our country needs a little more humanity, respect, kindness, and love, it doesn't need anymore machismo attitude. Yeah, I was raised by hippies, but it scares me to think that everyone else was raised by wolves.

Why would I be bitter when Hilary runs, in '08? I'm looking forward to it. Her steely demeanor will give those boys a run for their money.

Peace and Love,

Bubba

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 12:42 AM CDT

Name: Labsnabys

Heh heh...good try, RDD!

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 9:53 AM CDT

Name: a casual observer
Home Page: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847

hmm, if michael moore "wouldn't have touched this story with a 10 foot pole," i wonder why ABC news will?

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 1:39 PM CDT

Name: Grace
Home Page: http://jedimasterbtch.tripod.com/mindlessramblingblog/

Very interesting reads I've caught up on to say the least.

We too, here in Canada, had the "most important election of our generation" a few months ago. For months, every major network here (all three of them..haha) told how it's going to be a close election, how the country is at a crossroads etc. and how me must vote for change.

Granted, our major election issues here aren't Wars on Terror or huge deficits and losses of jobs. Our issues were Healthcare, daycare for children and to a smaller degree relationships with the United States.

See, our very liberal government up here didn't particularly get along with George W. Some senior cabinet officials were overheard calling him an "idiot" and "damn american" etc. As a result, the relationship had been changed. Enter the "Progressive Conservative". How anyone bought into that oxymoron, I'll never know. But a right-leaning government would do things salvage our relationship with the United States at the cost of our autonmy.

Now enter the election date. For months we were bombarded with "closest election", "it'll be decided by less than hundreds of votes" etc. If I recall correctly, only 65% of eligible voters voted in the last federal election here, down from the previous election. Of course, the voters that voted, sent back a liberal government, albeit a minority.

I do so hope that our neighbours South of us don't become apathetic to the whole process and stay home on Tuesday.

Your big issues in your country should be about your country. War is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more you "fight" to defend your borders, the more you'll have to continue fighting. I am by no means a peace-loving activist. I think there are times you are not only obligated to pick up weapons and fight, but there are times there are no other options. You have an option now. For all of Bush's tough talk on War on Terror, when was there a time he picked up a weapon and defended his country? There were times he was quite capable of doing so and he won't tell anyone if he did. I cannot believe that Kerry's record in Vietnam is in question which goes to show republican proganda. What shouldn't be in dispute is when he was called to fight for his country, he did - and bravely. That shows the character of a man. Last time I checked the First Amendment applied to Kerry back when he spoke out against the Vietnam War, something millions of Americans did. If you don't have a citizen willing to admit mistakes, then you have a citizen who's going to continue making them.

I was and still am one of those people that supported Bush - although from a distance given I'm a liberal from Canada - when he went into Afghanistan. Heck, we even sent in our men to die at the hands of the American military with no thanks from Bush then either. When you had everyone saying Saddam is attacking next (Powell, Rice) you trust that since they were bang on about Osama, they should be here too. The fact that Bush does not see the forest through the trees is disturbing. He lead everyone down the path where America - and continental North America - is no more safer today than it was in 2001.

I babble I know, but it's the only thing I can do since Wa State won't let me vote dammit. So to those of you who are staying home and not voting, go cast your ballot for John Kerry for me. For those of us who can be objective, for those of us who are affected by your election but have no say. For those soldiers who continue to do something Bush wouldn't, putting their lives on the line. For those 100,000 Iraqis who've died under his rule. Say you what you want about 5,000 Kurds dying under Saddam and the countless others. There are innocent children who died needlessly. If we hate what's going on in Sudan, why not hate what's going on in Iraq.

Good luck!

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 1:46 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://www.blogula-rasa.com

Congratulations, Lora, thank you for exercising your right to vote as a citizen of the US for the first time.

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 1:58 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://ginny@midrange.com

That's right, I also was in the odd position of supporting Bush over sending troops to Afghanistan, because the evidence that our enemy was there was overwhelming.

It bothers me that Afghanistan is now the red-headed stepchild of the Global War On Terra. We needed to wrap up there and finish the thing before looking for more bad guys in other countries. Going to Iraq was totally a vanity thing - I went along with it at first because I trusted Tony Blair more than Bush, and figured there had to be some compelling proof that they were keeping secret.

When it turned out there was no compelling proof, and after all the shenanigans with Ashcroft, the Patriot Act, and the rise in the power ofthe religious right, I finally realized I'd had enough of the lies.

But I *still* think we're mostly on the right track in Afghanistan, except that we're siphoning off too much manpower and materiel to Iraq.

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 4:53 PM CDT

Name: Lora

Thank you Ginny. This is very sweet. At this point let me also thank the following individuals because we had some great discussions about the upcoming election. I would like to thank Bard, babygirlcrow, waxwing, Ken, JCanuck, sawbones, and flyrchld for their thoughts and ideas.

Best wishes,
Lora

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 6:02 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

Ginny, I feel no need to address any of your comments because they're well-stated, as always. You and others on here write what I'm thinking, but so much more clearly than I could ever dream to.

My response is simply to say, if popping bubblewrap doesn't work for you, try throwing paper into a trash can.

http://game.panlogic.net/

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 6:26 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

What you're saying makes sense to me logically, but personally I can't do it. I'm a Democrat in the Safe state of Montana. I know my vote for Kerry won't make one damn bit of difference other than showing in the popular vote. I also know voting for Nader is good in the sense that it gives the Green party a boost of credibility. Hell, I voted for Nader last time, 1)because I agree with his positions and 2)hoping to get him enough popular vote that we'll finally get some funding for somebody besides the dual Republicrat parties. However, I can't bring myself to vote for Nader this time, even though I still agree with him, or in support of funding for the Greens, because his running is purely an ego trip this time. And that I can't support. His candidacy isn't valid, and he's abusing the court system to get on some ballots. He knows that Bush is worse than Kerry, that he's going to split the democratic vote and possibly lose Kerry the election, and that he has no chance in hell of winning, and he just doesn't give a fuck. It's an ego trip, pure and simple. He's running because he wants to, not because he cares about any of us. If he did, he wouldn't be running right now.

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 7:44 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

If you're blaming bush for those weapons, OOPS, weapons that were disposed of already, looks like that old story died a horrible death. Hmm, maybe Kerry should've waited for some facts before he popped his mouth off.

My response wasn't an attempt to convince anyone of what we all already know so well. Kerry will do and say anything to get elected. His anti-war friends are helping as best as they can, but not even CBS can sway this election. The October Surprise failed, and with it the hopes and dreams of the terrorists that would love to see a wishy-washy President Kerry, along with the liberals. Why do you see a need to mention Bill Clinton? All I stated was that for Hilary to run in 2008, Kerry had to lose. Why do you think there's been no REAL stumping for him? Just enough to not be see through, but nothing like what he COULD have done for him. Hilary didn't think she could take Bush on in 2004, and she was right. But, she does want it in 2008. So this election is more along the lines of a set up for the leaders of the Democratic party for 2008. Keep the pressure on, keep it close, but don't take your eye off the 2008 prize when Bush can't run again. It was smart politics that will leave Kerry supporters sad for today, but REALLY hoping for better in 4 years. The next election, starts in 2 years. And you just watch who goes after power. CBS (crock of bullshit) network has obvious ties to the Texas group that created false documents (Dan Rather's daughter is part of the DNC for that small area... leave it to daddy to put it on air without worrying about backing up the story with fact). Fox, is CLEAN compared to what you'll find on the big 3!

Bush is right where he should be and where about every military family I know (including those deployed) wants him to be, in charge.

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 7:45 PM CDT

Name: Bri

I bet you are feeling like an ass since the new Osama tape has come out...

PRESIDENT BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING BUT LET THE REAL CRIMINAL SLIP AWAY, AND SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE WRONG GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 8:01 PM CDT

Name: mikeeeee

Good thing Kerry didn't vote against that 87 Billion that was to help outfit the troops with armor...

AQ is a crippled terrorist group, but even a cripple can bite you if you're not careful. Kerry would be happy leaving them alone to rebuild. Not good enough for me. We went into a country that violated how many resolutions? Sorry, illegal war doesn't fly in this reality! The same country that was creating unmanned drones for the WMD's they never had and didn't use on their own people? The same WMD's that Clinton used to justify December 1998 airstrikes?

How many of those stupid terrorist bastards do you think have tried to take us on in Iraq and are crispy critters now?

We went in with multiple reasons. I'd say saving 500,000 people over the next decade alone is a great reason to be there.

The only members of government not supporting the troops is the far left that would spit on our guys as soon as look at them and divide the country with lies and deception.

Why guard he oil infrastructure? um, so these people can rebuild their nation so I can eventually STOP PAYING FOR IT, smart guy. Financial? REPLACED THE MONEY, why guard the old?? Cultural sites? YOU want to stand guard over a cultural site? Go pick up a gun. I wouldn't want to be shot at to save a piece of art, FUCK THAT! Military sites? 400,000 tons of weapons destroyed. Did we get EVERYTHING? no. Do we, if every man woman and child went over there have the resources, NO. Get real.

Kerry was trying to make a big whoop out of 400 tons of explosives that we ALREADY blew up (today's news)... funny as FUCK! Flip Flop didn't talk about it anymore today. FUNNY!!!

The troops get care packages from my unit, no worries. We try sneaking in porn, too.

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 8:06 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

Because a CHANCE that it COULD be news, is substitute for reporters working for a living. Brain dead idiots (tv viewers) eat this shit up for breakfast.

As demonstrated by today's announcement that they already DID dispose of most if not all weapons that were there, another BS hit piece exposed as crap. OOPS, be less then casual next time, be an interested voter and do your research!

Kerry didn't do that either, and it's blown up in his face along with the NYT. Michael Moore had just a tiny bit more business sense then to go after a story like this. My point now being proven, I take my leave of you all for the night.

Good night

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 8:09 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

Happy Halloween, you sexy, sexy bitch!

Too strong of a Happy Halloween? I hope not!

Have a great weekend, I want a pic of YOUR costume!

Friday, 29 October 2004 - 8:38 PM CDT

Name: mikeeeee

Ya caught me on a bad day yesterday. No face spitting. I prefer to imagine a face to face over coffee and talking.

Well, the 377 tons is now a bunko story since it's clear we actually destroyed the ammo there. That's why I knew Moore wouldn't touch the story, the US did hit that place and loot the ammo ourselves, and blew the weapons to high hell.

A video of Bin Laden surfaces (funny how I knew it was coming, isn't it?). He knows the 2 men running for president... Now, that means going back to the primary elections where Kerry's name was on a ballot, they taped it. Doesn't give us much to go on, but we know that's as early as the tape could have been made. He could've made a tape talking about Dean too. Or even Al Sharpton. We know the Kerry version is what has been given to A-J. But that's all we know for sure.

The plane that flew Osama's family was leased, not a press plane (although it's possible the government leased the same plane at some point in time, who knows). I'm sure the tail number pulled down was because it was file footage of a plane similar to that used by bin Laden's family to depart. Besides, if we had nothing to hold them on, why not let them go? We didn't let them fly until after the commercial flight grounding was up (and had been for 1 week), and after Richard Clarke approved it. Bush didn't approve it, Clarke did. But Moore never EVER clears that up. He doesn't mind making an unstated falsehood like that!

Bush never craps on troops. I'm sure Michael's book is from lots of people. Maybe, 300 out of the how many million in uniform? C'mon, Bubba! I could make a fat book on why John Kerry is a total ass pie with letters from servicemen and women I'm sure!

I don't think Moore looks for anything, he tries to get followers. If he looked for answers, he'd be far more moderate.

CNN... ohhhh boy, that explains it =P The same CNN that withheld news of torture and rape rooms in order to keep their Iraqi office? The CNN that reported Saddam's birthday in order to kiss his butt? Hehe, the most trusted name in news! You gotta admit, even MSNBC has a better track record... The BBC, never watch so I can't comment. Degrees... I hear you!

I always like coming to the middle of a subject. But when I see far left, I assume I have to come at it far right. I figure we'll meet somewhere in between. But you're dead on, I did pop off like a bit of a bastard yesterday. Bad day and a sensitive subject. I hope somehow Bubbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa doesn't hold it against me...

~Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

PS- I meant people that lost in this election will be more bitter and charged for the next election. As far as Hilary goes... I think I'd rather get my front teeth pulled then hear her squak on the trail to the White House.

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 1:16 AM CDT

Name: Squara

I have the privilege of living in Iowa, home of caucuses and VERY close races. I know that my immediate family of 5 is split 50/50 (my younger brother, who is a Pol-Sci major is an "unpredictable" so we dont count him, lol), but even though we more than likely cancel each other out, we still realize the importance of voting. This is also the first year my younger sister will be able to vote, and even though she is FAR too conservative to be 18, AND a total Bushie, I am proud that she is so excited to vote, and that she isn't just voting Bush due to her party affiliation, but becuse she has researched issues and (unfortuantely) thinks Bush represents her best. I wish that everyone under 35 felt as much dedication to voting as she does. Thank you to our parents for raising us to appreciate our power in the process! (and pushing absentee ballots on those of us who were at school out of state!)

That said, I am hoping that everyone makes an informed choice, and a choice that is right for them. No matter how badly I want to see Kerry win, It makes me feel good to see the 18-35 demographic care and get involved....even if they arent making the same choice as I am.

Rance, whomever you are...pimply kid, actor, swamp thing, clever social experiment....thank you for using you blog to light a political fire. We need it.

-Squara

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 2:10 AM CDT

Name: Sass

I DO NOT think Rance was trying to play the celebrity..."wow..I'm cool AND a "celebrity"....therefore...I HAVE to come out for Kerry" game. Where is your head to think these things...???
That attitude just sucks!
And I'll be damned before I'll cast any vote other than for John Kerry.

I think Nadar's entire campaign is the simply the pitts.
Lord help him if Kerry doesn't win.

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 2:31 AM CDT

Name: Sir Nard Manhawk
Home Page: http://searian.blogspot.com

An interesting piece was on CNN this past weekend, a bio profile on Nader.

In it, most everyone seemed confused about the charges of this being an ego thing. If anything, Ralph Nader is accutely aware that he is putting his credibility on the line, and will probably have his public image ruined by this election cycle, one way or another.

As he said in the program though, he wasn't worried about his legacy, asking "What, are they going to tear seatbelts out of cars?"

(Which is something all Democrats can do to protest Nader's Ego.)

I had the opportunity to watch Nader give a speech today. I even got up and tossed him a critical question asking how he could possibly hope to reconcile the different ideologies that make up the "political fringe." (The answer involved a matter of key points that anger both sides of the spectrum.)

Nonetheless, the speech made was not like the campaign speeches of the other candidates. It was not the loud boisterous dog and pony show you may have noticed Ahnold and Bush going through tonight.

It was a low level conversational tone, very sober (intermingled with some dry humor) that moved along, systematically pointing out a series of problems with the nation that are not addressed, are not discussed, and simply won't be. It seemed like he was far more concerned with his facts and numbers than himself.

I believe Ralph Nader runs because he feels he has to. And I feel he should be given the same equal access, in ballots, in opportunities to debate, and in relative judgement in the minds of the electorate. It is what is just, and under no circumstances could be considered a bad thing. The hateful rhetoric spread about a man who is doing what he thinks is best to get the message out is not only unjust, but a threat to the very state of our Democracy.

(PS - the best part is when he got half the auditorium to admit to smoking pot, before discussing the failure of our war on drugs.)

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 3:27 AM CDT

Name: Tracy

Here's a good reason to go out and vote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6330668/

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 11:28 PM CDT

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog

A lampshade.

Saturday, 30 October 2004 - 11:43 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://www.blogula-rasa.com

Aw, thank you. And thanks for the game link, which will be added to my collection of kitty-cat bowling, dancing French anti-gravity mutant skeleton, and Whack-A-Ghoul games links.

It's all WendyJo's fault. And Bard's. And now yours, because that paper-in-the-trash game is totally addictive, and it's got that horrid David Brent git associated with it.

Sunday, 31 October 2004 - 1:12 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie
Home Page: http://www.aisleduckie.com/B_wnameB.jpg

Too strong of a Happy Halloween? Nah, 'cause I like you. But perhaps you should monitor the caffeine intake a wee bit. How many mocha lattes were you on at the time of this writing?

There's a link to my Halloween costume above...what do you think?

Happy Halloween! Thanks for keeping us all safe...

Sunday, 31 October 2004 - 1:13 PM CDT

Name:



Sorry about this long post. I'm afraid your facts are not quite the same as mine. I believe that Knight-Ridder is a pretty authoritative news organization:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10042037.htm

WASHINGTON - The more than 320 tons of missing Iraqi high explosives at center stage in the U.S. presidential election are only a fraction of the weapons-related material that's disappeared in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion last year.

Huge amounts of arms and ammunition were stolen from military sites, and there's "ample evidence" that Iraqi insurgents are firing looted weapons at U.S. troops and using some of them in car bombs and improvised explosive devices, said a senior U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

U.N. officials also are concerned about the disappearance of sensitive equipment and controlled materials that could be used to develop nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

"If this equipment is finding itself on the open market, then anybody with money can buy it," said Dimitri Perricos, acting head of the U.N. Monitoring and Verification Commission (UNMOVIC), the U.N. weapons inspection agency.

The CIA has convened a "mini taskforce" of experts to assess precisely what equipment is gone and what threat it could pose if it fell into the wrong hands, said two U.S. officials.

In a new disclosure, the senior U.S. military officer and another U.S. official, who also spoke on condition he not be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter, said that an Iraqi working for U.S. intelligence alerted U.S. troops stationed near the al Qaqaa weapons facility that the installation was being looted shortly after the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003.

But, they said, the troops took no apparent action to halt the pillaging.

"That was one of numerous times when Iraqis warned us that ammo dumps and other places were being looted and we weren't able to respond because we didn't have anyone to send," said a senior U.S. military officer who served in Iraq.

An ABC television station in Minnesota reported that one of its camera crews embedded with the 101st Airborne Division might have filmed some of the high explosives after arriving on al Qaqaa's perimeter on April 18. Experts at the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. agency that was monitoring al Qaqaa because the missing explosives could have been used to trigger a nuclear weapon, are examining the videotape.

The disclosure appeared to contradict the Bush administration's suggestion that Saddam's regime may have removed the high explosives between the last U.N. inspection of al Qaqaa on March 15 and the arrival at the installation of 3rd Infantry Division troops on April 3. The U.S.-backed interim Iraqi government contends that the high explosives disappeared sometime after the fall of Baghdad on April 9.

The Defense Department on Thursday released a satellite photograph taken on March 17 that shows two trucks parked outside one of the 56 bunkers at the al Qaqaa complex, and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said U.S. reconnaissance would have detected any major effort to loot the complex.

"We would have seen anything like that," Rumsfeld said in a radio interview. "The idea that it was suddenly looted and moved out, all these tons of equipment, I think that is at least debatable."

However, a senior U.S. intelligence official said, U.S. reconnaissance coverage of Iraqi weapons complexes and military movements was most intense before and during the U.S.-led invasion, while smaller-scale looting after the fall of Baghdad might have evaded detection.

Many U.S. officials and other experts blame the massive disappearance of Iraqi weapons-related materials on the Pentagon's failure to anticipate the waves of looting and lawlessness that convulsed Iraq after Saddam's ouster in April 2003.

They also cited decisions by Rumsfeld and former Gen. Tommy Franks, the overall commander of the invasion, to deploy far fewer U.S. troops to stabilize the country than U.S. ground commanders had sought.

Al Qaqaa was on a classified list of Iraqi weapons facilities that the CIA provided to Pentagon and military officials before the invasion, said the U.S. intelligence official.

But when the Pentagon and U.S. Central Command produced their own list of sites that a limited number of U.S. "exploitation teams" should search, priority was given to those identified by exiled Iraqi opposition groups, he said. Al Qaqaa wasn't one of them.

"The top of the list was dominated by nuclear facilities and places where we expected to find chemical and biological weapons," he said. "Iraqi exiles had a very heavy hand in determining which places got looked at first."

Al Qaqaa was one of some 900 known weapons sites in Iraq that U.S. experts estimated held more than 650,000 tons of munitions.

The Defense Department contends that the U.S.-led military coalition has destroyed or secured 402,000 tons of munitions. That leaves at least 248,000 tons still unaccounted for.

Thousands of unknown caches holding varying amounts of arms and ammunitions have been discovered in mosques, homes, schools and other locations since Baghdad's capture, and new stashes believed to belong to resistance groups are constantly being found.

The IAEA and UNMOVIC have reported that large amounts of equipment and materials have disappeared from numerous sites that were associated with the outlawed weapons programs that U.S. inspectors now believe Saddam discontinued after the 1991 Gulf War.

The IAEA monitored sites and equipment that were related to Iraq's pre-1991 nuclear weapon program, while UNMOVIC oversaw facilities that had been associated with Iraq's chemical, biological and missile programs.

The missing equipment and materials have civilian and military applications. Precisely how much dual use technology is missing is not known, but some materials have been taken across Iraq's poorly guarded borders.

Earlier this year, radioactive scrap metal, sheets of metal alloys that are subject to strict international export controls, and dozens of missile engines from Iraq turned up in scrap metal yards in Jordan and the Netherlands.

An Aug. 27 UNMOVIC report to the U.N. Security Council said an assessment using commercial satellite imagery confirmed the "systematic removal of items subject to monitoring ... the fate of which remains unknown."

Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA, said in an Oct. 1 letter to the U.N. Security Council that his agency "continues to be concerned about the widespread and apparently systematic dismantlement that has taken place at sites previously relevant to Iraq's nuclear programme and sites previously subject to ongoing monitoring."

Sunday, 31 October 2004 - 1:16 PM CDT

Name: ginny
Home Page: http://www.blogula-rasa.com

Sorry, everyone, this one's long, but it needs to be read:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/ginmar/322336.html

The Summer Soldier
I got my ballot the other day, and it was relief to find that it didn't have any blood stains on it. You expect there to be some sign of the effort it took---the lives it cost----to accomplish something. With all the hits we've been taking lately, that was all the cautious good news one could find. No sign of what happened.



I left the post office, and looked up at the palace on the hill: Saddam's palace, now a place where soldiers from several countries are bumbling around, trying to bring democracy to this place. Some of them have only recently acquired it themselves in their own countries. One of the most touching things I've ever seen was the Prime Minister of Bulgaria, tearing up on TV as his country was inducted into NATO.

Democracy is one of those things that people look for when they see that palace on the hill. They want it to be big and shiny, with trumpets and armies and flags. Instead, I think of that man, trying not to weep in front of the world. I have no idea what his thoughts could be. I've never really thought about what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, because it's always been there for me.

It shouldn't be a big thing, this concept of freedom, and the idealist in me thinks that every war is a failure of humanity. That palace on the hill has gorgeous marble but it's very crudely carved. From that vantage point one could almost see Saddam's eyes, looking for enemies. Yet the people of Iraq still smile at us, offer us tea, smiles, handshakes, able even in this war of trying to find some common ground. These are people who hope for freedom, for self-determination. For safety.

Some people say, "My country, love it or leave it," and insist that that's patriotism.

It's not. These are the summer soldiers of our history, loving only what is easy to love, accepting only what is acceptible, and hating anything that's complex. They love the big and the brash, and miss out on the small details. They see only the surface of the water, never the depths beneath, and in its surface they see only their own reflection.

They'll say they love their country, but they only love the good parts. Their love is like a bitter phrase of my father's: "Cold indeed is the love blown out by one gust of wind." But instead of becoming disenchanted with their country, they become disenchanted with those who see her clearly, and love her not in spite of it but they love her anyway. Love her as a whole, and you cherish her all the more, for her potential and her efforts---and her vulnerability. Love her as she is, for what she might become, and you might be able to see potential elsewhere, too.

Democracy, like any virtue, can be promoted through small acts and gestures. Its central premise is that every person's voice should be heard, and that concept never really hit me till I stood in front of that post office with the dust of a hundred histories on my boots, and wrote my candidate's name on my ballot. My handwriting was messy and blotchy and I think the heat does something to the ink. It was perfectly ordinary---one pays bills in this humble fashion every day. And yet there was that building high above me, the historic river flowing by, the ruins nearby. It was an ordinary act in extraordinary circumstances.

People ask how we can do the job we do here, undertake the risks we do. It's simple: it's moments like that, the visceral jolt that comes from realizing what exactly one is doing. How often do you get to say that you voted in Iraq? Certainly it's a novelty for the Iraqis. But it's more than that. We know that we're preserving that right for other people, too. As long as some people are free, they can offer hope to those who are not.


Democracy is one of those things that you think you can define---until the very moment you try. Freedom? Yeah, what's that? I'm wearing the same outfit as 140,000 other people here. But I took an oath to defend the Constitution, and to me that means its principles. Once you recognize that you're free, you also have to recognize that other people are not, and that until they are, you can't really be, either. Freedom carries with it that burden, that acknowledgement. It's not enough to be a beacon, a symbol, a hope. You have to be active. That's the cruelest irony of all about it. I suspect the sunshine patriots Thomas Paine spoke about got a distinct jolt when they realized that freedom doesn't mean disconnection from other people---in fact, it means the exact opposite. No one can be till everyone is free.

There's something about being a Reservist that makes this seem especially vivid. We throw our fates to chance, and some of us like the idea that we're beholding to this amorphous concept of freedom. We put aside our individuality, our homes, our jobs, and we take up someone else's lives and hopes. We feel part of a larger purpose, a larger cause than our own paltry concerns. And we like it.

People ask how we do the job we do, and there's another answer, too: because of you. We fight, and you hope. The act of taking up that banner links everyone together, even if you never take up a weapon. Freedom doesn't mean isolation; it means connection, and admittance to a club with a wide-open membership. We have a common desire, it's just the execution that's different.

People ask how they can support us.

It's very simple.

Vote.

I don't care who you vote for, I just care that you do. Our deaths, our injuries, our sacrifices, are all payment for that concept of giving people a voice. We've given you a gift. We've paid for it already. We are here, and we will be here till the job is done. Yet there are people who say that the process is stupid, flawed, unnecessary. They may be right. But we're here for a reaon, and every one hwo doesn't vote negates that reason just a bit.

People ask how they can support us.

Vote.

My ballot was not blood-stained, but that's because a truckload of them probably got blown up. I was using a generic ballot, not even the one I was sent. In order for us to vote, someone gave up their life. The Iraqis haven't seen a real election in thirty years. It's a brand new right for them, and some of them are willing to die for it.

Vote.

Take up the banner for all the people, living and dead, who fought for this. Take up your part in the fight. Remember them. Remember us.

(end)

Monday, 1 November 2004 - 1:22 PM CST

Name: Mikeeeee

Mohamed ElBaradei- This person is the boob that oversaw the botched efforts around the globe to control the spread of nukes. He knows the US is about to get him kicked out of his UN job, because he's ineffective. I know alllllll about ElBaradei, he's as quotable as the Oil for Food UN workers...

He's the reason the story came back into the light. He's the one that opened the salvo of this false story. He had a great idea in doing so. I bet he thought that there was no proof of weapons being destroyed, and decided to get some payback since he'll be losing his job soon. So, he pens some letters with some "worrisome" statements, he has no proof to back him up, but if he TIMES the release right, the election will be impacted with no chance to be rebutted and maybe he can sway the voting public in the US and give it to Bush, keep his job, and do the UN a big favor all at once. If his statements turn out to be untrue, that's ok, he only "feared", or "worried", has "concerns", he never said he KNOWS what's happening, so he didn't lie, no one can lay a finger on him. It's not that complicated really.

But Major Austin Pearson confirmed Kerry based his final week of campaigning on lie, or at least a HUGE stretch, a big guess. Major Pearson destroyed 7,000 tons of weapons HIMSELF (With his unit), including the weapons there at the compound in question. Notice how Kerry doesn't talk about those weapons anymore? He ran his mouth again, without facts, and got burned again.

In the mean time, think about this, in little over a year, 2/3 of the weapons in Iraq are destroyed. Spread all over an entire country, 2/3 destroyed. How many have been fired at us as we went to war? How much left the country? How much was issued to troops that were killed on the battle field and blown to bits? How much was taken with troops as they went home, refusing to fight? If you'd like to go into the details of all the weapons in Iraq right down to the last pistol, we can, but it's really pointless.

Rape rooms, murder, beating Olympic athletes, no rights for women, a history of gassing his own people, working with terror groups, oil bribes to the UN, that's all come to an end and won't happen again. Good mission, well done so far, it's tough and needs improving, what doesn't? It took us 200 years to get where we are. It'll take a few years to get them really going on their own, and that's ok.

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