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Rance wuz here...
Wednesday, 12 January 2005
Return of the nun...
Just a few notes first:

Don't forget that Thursday is "Queer Essay Topic" day. Show up prepared to participate.

Friday will be "The Smell of Fear..." continued. Bring your wubby and anything else of comfort.

I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled program...Janis, the nun.


Rubber Duckie asked that I write something about myself, and I agreed
to do so. Having read through Rance's blog in order to understand the
dynamics of this interesting online community I shall begin from the
beginning with the same words that Rance once used: Call me Janis.

I'm an ex-nun. No, wait I can neither confirm nor deny that I'm an
ex-nun or even a nun for that matter. All I can confirm is that I wrote
those poems that were posted last week on this wonderful blog.

But nevertheless, Rubber Duckie asked that I say something about
myself and man did she raise the bar high when she said that I'd say
something about myself. I wasn't planning on saying anything.

69. Yang and Ying. Flip-flopped. I loved how Bubba wrote that she
liked the idea of me 69ing. I love the idea, too. Thanks Bubba! That
was really sweet...

Okay, let's see, my favorite book? I have three. The Song of Songs
from the Bible, The Yellow Pages, and Kama Sutra. My favorite movie?
There are three as well. A Nun's Story, Top Gun and Grosse Pointe
Blank. My favorite music or musical group? I have three as well. The
Vienna Boys Choir, Enigma, and Janis Joplin. My favorite food? Wine
and cheese, Shrimps and Pizza. Oh and chocolate chip cookies! Okay
enough of this interrogation.

I want to say a few lovely words about the first time I developed an
awareness of God and what God means to me. I was in second grade and
our teacher asked us to draw a picture of God. There was nothing
special or particular about what I had drawn. As a matter of fact I
later learned that I fell into the same category as 98% of my
classmates, who had all drawn God as Santa Claus. The other 2 percent,
which happened to be two of my closest friends, had drawn God as
something else. One had drawn God as a woman in high heels, and the
other had drawn God as a cloud. My teacher praised us all for our
artistic attempt to capture what God meant to us but it was the first
time that I began developing a sense of awareness that there was more
to God than the old man in white hair and white beard. For this I am
eternally thankful to my teacher who instilled this awareness quite
early on. Do you have a story like this, too? If so, I'd love to hear
about it.

Oh no, more interrogatory questions. Did I live in a convent? What if
my answer is yes, no, maybe? Why did I leave the convent? I left it
because I fell in love with a man who's face reminded me of Jesus.
Well no, actually not true. His face reminded me of...well, actually of
no one. I'll just call him "Citizen of the World". My favorite subjects in
school? I liked religion (I attended Catholic school), art and
history. Did I have any other jobs besides the one as a nun? Yes. I
used to weigh tealeaves at a pharmacy.

Do I want to say anything about my teen years? Sure. In general I
would say I had a natural curiosity about the world around me. As a
teen I attended bible study once a week. It was a way for me to
connect with others and to make friends. I loved bible study. We would
first congregate together in one large group and sing songs and share
what was affecting us in our daily lives. And then we would pray
together to ask for guidance or strength or to simply give thanks.
Later we would meet in smaller groups and have one adult be our
designated teacher and read to us a story or passage from the bible.
We also read Christian literature, which I was particularly fond of.
These early years are what shaped my way of thinking and fed my
never-ending quest for knowledge. They were the foundation to my
spirituality today.

Anything else? Well I leave it up to you. I'd love to read what you
have to share on the topics I have outlined today.

Later,
J.

Administrative Notes:

RDD: Thank you for dedicating yourself to watering the wonderful
virtual flowers here that Rance once planted. Keep up the good work!

F: You should just get a DVP for each and every lovely comment you
make on this blog. May I give you a kisshug sometime?

C: Thanks for liking my hot poems. Can you write one for us, too?

VW: I'm not sure of anything. Are you?

J: You sure know your Song of Songs! Thanks for comparing my poems to
Sufi. That is really swell.

L: Are you sure you wouldn't know what kind of poems a nun or ex-nun
would write?

Lab & Lanie: You both deserve 20 DVP's each for reading and commenting
to the Nun poems. It seems that it was really brave of you
to do so.

R: Did you enjoy my poems? I haven't seen a response from you and I
was told that my poems were sought out partially for your benefit and
enjoyment.

Posted by captainhoof at 11:27 AM CST
Post Comment | View Comments (25) | Permalink

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 12:28 PM CST

Name: superfreak (yankeebird to some)

Janis, I enjoyed your entry immensely! I didn't comment on your poetry before, but I enjoyed it very much. I also appreciated you sharing more about yourself with us in this entry, rather than thinking we're just a bunch of kooks.

Thank you for sharing with us!

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 12:38 PM CST

Name: TartnTiny

Janis
Welcome and how pleasant a post.
As a current Catholic, I am curious...what is the deal with all these priests abusing kids? Is it the no marriage clause, or is it a magnet or shelter for the perverse?

On a lighter note, do you think God has a sense of humor and what kind? I've said quite a few randy things that I consider zingers. Does he shake his head and look at me sideways (like my dad does) or cover his mouth and pretend he's not smiling?
I really want to go to heaven, but eternal seriousness sounds like hell. And cutesy jokes can only carry you so far, if you know what I mean.

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 3:05 PM CST

Name: Cheryl

Hi Janis,
Great to see you back. I would join you in an erotic poetry slam, but I'm afraid I'm not much of a poet. In highschool, all original poetry was expressly banned for the purposes of our teacher's digestion. He found our poems nauseating. Oh well... never written one since. Besides, if I did, it would probably start with something like "Hickory dickory dock" and then slide right downhill from there. You're the poet. I'm happy to enjoy yours:)

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 3:27 PM CST

Name: Snubby

Forgive my blatant ignorance of theological bureaucracy, but what exactly is a nun?

Is this specifically a Catholic thing? I don't think I've ever seen a real nun; just the ones on television and in movies.

So, I guess if I were to raise a question to you within the confines of acceptable banter on this blog, it would be this: What do you think of the mockery of nuns that Hollywood embraces when it portrays them in movies? As you are sitting and watching a movie, do you laugh along? Do the hairs on the back of your neck stand up? Does it make you happy, sad, angry, ambivalent? Anything?

The two movies that come to mind are both Kevin Smith flicks. The opening scene of Dogma and the hitchhiking scene from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

Now, I know that Kevin means no harm and it is all in the name of humor, but maybe you could give other examples beyond my limited scope.

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 3:42 PM CST

Name: labsnabys

Wow - my first DVP's and 20 of them to boot! Thank you.

I'm not Catholic (although my Italian/Puerto Rican heritage usually leads people to assume I am), and in fact I was raised with no religious upbringing at all. But nuns have always fascinated me partly because of the dedication and sacrifice it takes to be a nun. I am curious what the attrition rate is in the nun profession. Does anyone know what percentage of nuns become "ex-nuns" and what the primary reasons are? I suspect many leave for the same reason as Janis.

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 4:17 PM CST

Name: feenxc

thanks for coming to visit again, janis. and yes, you can give me a kisshug anytime! loved your post, after experiencing sisters in the classroom, you know, with the full headdress and impossible gown, it was quite refreshing to learn you are all human. when you're a kid and are confronted with the outfit, it's difficult to see past it.

a story: way back when, when i was around 28, i walked into a bar and had the bouncer ask me for i.d. trust me, i was flattered. he then told me that the only reason he had asked was to see my name. it turned out that even way back when-er, i used to teach 5th grade sunday school and he was my worst behaved kid. and to think i almost made a pass at him! he did turn out cute...

kisshugs!

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 4:19 PM CST

Name: feenxc

p.s. i do love janis joplin too!

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 7:21 PM CST

Name: Bubba

Janis-

Well, it is the position of champions...or is it the breakfast of champions?..maybe both.

My Catholic run ins have always left me a little down trodden. I'm going to shorten a long ago post once written for a wonderful post-er named Nicole (where is she lately?) It went like this:

My pops grew up being taught by nuns, as his parents did before him. And once he was out in the world, he followed a sibling into a cult that was called The Children of God..way back in the seventies....my mom followed him, because she loved him, and they had kids together. Anyway, the cult didn't work out, seeing how it's basically the place where the term "Hookin' For Jesus" was developed. My mom was not one of this women, who would go to bars and try and seduce men into the cult. Shortly after they left, I was born...and had to occasionally go to my grandparents church....
------------------------------------------------------
I loved that small town church, beautiful stain glass windows depicting all the saints, delicious smelling incense that would either make you sleepy or have a headache, and then there was that damn communion. I hated it, because I wanted it so badly. My parents never baptized us kids and it was the most embarrassing thing I've had to indure-sitting there...while everyone else got in line to eat a wafer. All I ever wanted was to see what was so special about that wafer. When I wouldn't get the special wafer after sitting, standing, sitting, kneeling, standing, pretending to sing, sitting, kneeling,...I'd feel like I wasted over an hour of my life, enduring something I didn't understand. And then something wonderful happened! My brother fainted in church and we never had to go back again! (I'm sure that it wasn't the reason why, but it felt like it when I was eight). A few years ago, it was the church's 100th anniversary and I was told that I'd have to attend church. I told my dad about the resentment and embarrassment of my youth. He said, "That makes me feel sad, I guess I never thought about how you kids must have felt. I'm not going to take communion, I'll just sit with you." And he did...

I must say, that I feel more at home, more peaceful, when I'm in a Catholic Church as opposed to a modern christian church...there's just something cold and sharp about them. And I do love nuns. While visiting the sculptural structure "The Grotto of the Redemption" (It's an amazing place if anyone ever finds themself in West Bend Iowa) I saw a group of "nuns in training" wearing their blues instead of blacks..and I thought that they were so adorable. Just as cute as can be.


http://www.nw-cybermall.com/grotto.htm

To check out The Grotto..it's damn cool.

I'll have to see if I have any erotic poems to share, but they won't be as to the point as yours. Oh, and I laughed out loud when I read about the kids drawing God as Santa. Kids probably do think that they are the same person, both perform miracles.

peace and love,
Bubba



Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 7:55 PM CST

Name: r2ncette
Home Page: http://redhat.mindsay.com

thank you janis for your lvoely ppoems. I have always been interestd in being a nun cause i never wanted to get married when I was young and cause my parents hated Catholics. That's because they were Catholics for the first 5 years of my life. Or six. I forget. and I went to Catholic school and once prayed to Mary and felt guilty about this for years since Mary was a "graven image".

well i want to know more about your life after being a nun. do you have kids? thanks, j.

Wednesday, 12 January 2005 - 8:16 PM CST

Name: WendyJo

Janis, I am nearly inspired to write my own poetry, thanks to you :)

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 12:06 AM CST

Name: Snubby

It's things like this I will never understand about "committing" to a particular religion.

So, you are Catholic for a few years until something more convenient comes along? Then all of the sudden you harbor a hatred for them?

I've been friends with a gal for over a year now and she has rambled incessantly about devout Catholicism and how it is everything to her Mexican heritage. She celebrates all of the little holidays and honors all of those Saint people.

But, all of the sudden the Episcopalian set up down the street offers a really nifty choir program for the kids and they have better day care programs. So, guess who is no longer a Catholic?

I dunno. Is that copasthetic with the big guy? If religion is that big of a deal to some, as it apparently is, then how can you just up and leave a particular belief system for some irrelevant reason?


I don't feel that "religion" is as important as your internal faith that is better left to yourself. I claim to be denominationally vacant, but I talk to God more during my days than most religious folks out there. Yet, it is the "religious" folk that constantly cast judgment upon others.

The town in which I live won't deal with you if you don't go to church. And I don't get that because once you pick a church, everyone who attends any other church won't have anything to do with you.

I don't know that I actually had a point here. Other than church itself is just a social convenience, and a genuine religion should only be a personal conviction between you and the big guy and no one else.

But, I guess if I were to be ruling the world anytime soon it could be different; but, alas... I'm booked.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 7:29 AM CST

Name: WendyJo

Snubby, I don't think this is a case of Rancette ditching Catholicism for "something more convenient", I think this is a young person on a journey of self- discovery. I myself attended many different services of different religions until I settled down in a belief that felt true to myself.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:10 AM CST

Name: Janis

Superfreak a.k.a. yankeebird, you're very welcome. I don't think that you are a bunch of kooks. If you are a bunch of kooks, than I'm a kook, too. How's that?

Best, J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:11 AM CST

Name: Janis

TT: In my opinion and that is only my opinion there's no hell. You make your own hell. On a lighter note, where did you get your sense of humor from if God has no sense of humor? Again, this is only my personal belief. I like the song "One of Us" by Joan Osborne.

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:13 AM CST

Name: Janis

C: "Hickory Dickory Dock" is very good! I use it all the time myself. So to applaud you I say "Open, shut them. Open shut, them. Give a little clap clap clap. Open, shut them. Open, shut them. Lay them in your lap lap lap."

Best wishes,

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:16 AM CST

Name: Janis

S:
Nuns are not only a Catholic thing. Both Anglicans and Buddhists have nuns as well.
According to "The Harper Collins Encyclopedia of Catholicism" a nun is: In the strict sense, women in religious orders who take solemn vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Nuns observe the papal
cloister and live a life of silence, contemplation, and prayer. Choir nuns chant the Divine Office daily. Vatican II (1962-65) called for modifying the cloister, eliminating outmoded customs, modifying the habit.

The word "nun" is also popularly used for women in religious congregations who take simple vows and who do not observe the cloister. It is also used as a synonym for "sister".

Reg. Hollywood and nuns: In my opinion it's all very subjective. It's hard to compare Kevin Smith's portrayal of a nun with that of say "A Nun's Story". I saw "Dogma" and laughed very hard. But again it's all on how you perceive it and what you consider as your own truth.Also let me restate what I said above "I can neither confirm nor deny that I'm a nun or ex-nun. I might just be one of Rance's regular readers."

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:22 AM CST

Name: Janis

Lab: I googled your question(s) today. I could not find the ratio of how many nuns become ex-nuns. But here's what I found: In the last three decades religious orders in this country have decreased more than 50%. I think one has to look at history and certain social movements e.g. women's right movement and more access to better
education and better paying jobs. According to the "2004 Catholic Almanac" in 2003 there were 74,698 sister in the U.S., in 2002 there were 75,500 and in 1993 there were 94,022. So the rates have decreased. Furthermore, the average age of today's nun is 68 years old. What does that say? There are many older nuns as oppose to younger nuns and even those that decide to become a nun are usually
older. They become nuns for various reasons e.g. their spouse has died and their children have left home. I also read an interesting article today that the U.S. is sponsoring or importing nuns from abroad ?especially from countries of Eastern Europe" Good questions, lab! 20 more DVP's to you!

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:30 AM CST

Name: Janis

F:
A) Yes I had the same experience when I was a kid. It was difficult to see past the black outfit. But I was lucky because I had a real nice teacher.

B) I liked your little story. Could it be that he turned out cute because you had a hand in it without knowing way back when you used to teach 5th grade Sunday school?

C) Kisshugs to you, too!

D) Rance might be delighted that you like Janis Joplin.

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:32 AM CST

Name: Janis

Bubba:
A)I know about the kid that wanted to taste the special wafer. That cute kid you described could have been me, too. Again, I can neither confirm nor deny that I'm a nun or ex-nun. I might just be one of Rance's regular readers. I plan on revealing myself in the coming weeks so let me say this to you: Thank you for sharing this little story of the cute kid with me.

B) I looked at the Grotto and it is very beautiful. I'm amazed to read about the stones having been imported from all over the world. T
Thanks Bubba!

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:34 AM CST

Name: Janis

R: At the moment I don't have any kids. Well actually not true. I have 75 kids! And they're all toddlers and preschoolers. How about that? I actually teach! Well, I'll let you in on a secret, one of my personalwishes is to adopt a child someday. I grew up with a family that adopted a child from India. I've always been very fond of the idea and she was one of my best friends. In this respect I really admire Angelina Jolie. It's not that I can't have children of my own. I actually do want to and plan on having kids of my own but I'd like to adopt as well if I can.

With regards to your interest in the lives of Nuns. There is book written by Cheryl L. Reed. It is called "Unveiled: The hidden lives of Nuns". For more info check out this website: http://www.nunsunveiled.com/

Again, I am in no position to make any suggestions or recommendations. I can neither confirm nor deny that I'm a nun or ex-nun.

Best,

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 11:35 AM CST

Name: Janis

WJ: That's very sweet of you. I'd love to see a poem by you. I know a couple of things about you and am confident that you can write such a poem.

J.

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 4:15 PM CST

Name: Snubby

For what purpose do they choose this commitment?

Is it for serious, unhindered personal conviction or is it all part of maintaining a great political entity of indoctrination?

Thursday, 13 January 2005 - 4:19 PM CST

Name: Snubby

I wasn't referring to Rancette.

Rancette was referring to her parents and I used her observation as a jumping point to think about an inconsistency in the approach of a friend of my own.

But, thanks for pointing out a valid alternate view point.

Tuesday, 18 January 2005 - 9:54 AM CST

Name: Lanie

I don't know if I have an interesting story regarding when I was first "introduced" to God. But my grandmother used to threaten to send me to a convent. Once my 13th birthday rolled around, as this was the appropriate age she thought, I was to be sent to a convent. My family isn't even catholic, or anything close.

That summer of my 13th birthday was an interesting one. We went to visit my grandparents in Wisconsin. We took a day trip to Polaski, which I soon found out was the home of the local convent. Yikes! It looked like something out of Alfred Hitchcock. Big, made of brick, with little itty bitty windows. Of course we didn't go in, but my grandma drove me around it a couple times.

"Look, that's where you'll play baseball" "There's the cemetary you'll be buried in when you die" "Those little windows are all you have in your bedroom" "There's the church you'll attend"

Scared me to death. To this day I don't really know what her intentions were with that. I always felt it had something to do with the fact that I shouldn't be having sex as a teenager. Not that I was at that age anyway, just to make that clear.

L

Tuesday, 18 January 2005 - 9:57 AM CST

Name: Lanie

Lab--

we weren't technically given the DVPs, she only stated that she thought we deserved them.

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