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Rance wuz here...
Tuesday, 28 September 2004
The Administrative Staff Speaks
Pardon the interruption from the terrific "Pardon the Interruption" series. I am called Captain Hoof. I set up this site last December and have since been primarily responsible for moderating the comments. As a reward, I have been given this space today so that my friends and I might subvert the government.

Recently we--a small group of entertainment and political professionals--banded together convince Ralph Nader constituents to vote for Kerry. It's a relatively minor battle, but, as a World Series game can be decided by an inch, a potentially critical one--we were presented with several scenarios whereby Nader votes could swing three states (see Stopnader.com (not as outlandish--or even partisan--as it might first seem).

Our problem: For years now, Democrats have been trying in vain to convince Nader loyalists that a vote for him, ironically, equates to a vote against their own liberal ideals. In the words of Rance, "It's been like telling Gandhi's supporters that if Mahatma won't eat, his health will suffer."

Our hope: That there's an effective strategy yet to be tried. In seeking it, we asked ourselves, "What would Karl Rove do?" In reality, ironically, he's boosting Nader in the battleground states. But what if he were on our side (and no one kicked him out of the room?) We speculated that rather than attempt to discredit Nader's position, he'd create doubts about Nader himself. That, we realized, we could do without twisting a fact by so much as a degree.

As it happens, when questioned on the issues, Nader responds with the succinctness and intelligence with which he won his reputation as a brilliant consumer advocate and patriot. When asked his motivation for seeking the Presidency, however, time and again his responses require a calculator and a degree in philosophy to follow. The sum total, we think, is ego.

After the digital equivalent of crumpling hundreds of pieces of paper laden with ideas of how to adequately communicate this, it occurred to us that it could be done by coining a single phrase:

MASTURNADER.

We want voters who care about the things Nader cares about (other than himself) to feel encumbered by the notion that they are "masturnaders" if they pull the lever (as it were) for him.

Our initial step is a brief film. It is being launched today on atomfilms.com.

It is our hope that you will watch it and send the link to any masturnaders you know.

Thank you,

Captain Hoof


Administrative Note:

In the upcoming weeks, expect another post from Rance in response to a comment that affected both his piss and vinegar counts.

Posted by captainhoof at 5:01 AM CDT
Updated: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:16 AM CDT
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Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 11:26 AM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Nice to meet you Captain Hoof. Do you have any super powers?

I'll go watch your movie now...

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 11:50 AM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Pardon my interruption, but I have one last question...

I am a TRUE Independent...my beliefs cross over both parties and I have yet to decide exactly WHO I'm voting for (at this point leaning towards writing in Captain Hoof).

As an undecided, could you PLEASE explain to me what will be different in four years if Kerry is elected and how does he plan to accomplish this? Either I haven't picked up on his actual plans yet or he hasn't clearly laid them out yet and this is something that is necessary for me to make an educated decision...

Perhaps YOU could get Mr. Kerry, himself, over here for a day to do a Q & A blog style...

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 12:02 PM CDT

Name: princessr9

Very funny. I don't know any masturnaders, but I'm going to send it to several people any way, and if I see any masturnaders, I'm going to run them over with my big SUV. Ok, well maybe I'll just nudge them a little. Being in jail would sort of prevent me from voting wouldn't it?

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 12:24 PM CDT

Name: El

Hi, Captain Hoof!

Any relation to Captain Hook?

I would help you with your campaign as I eagerly support Rance and, of course, his lovely Administrative Staff. But alas, I am for Bush.

No offense to anyone, I respect your political views and it sounds like you have a well thought-out plan. Good luck.

El

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 12:37 PM CDT

Name: Ken
Home Page: http://eyecreate.ods.org/blog/

Hey A.S.

I would totally agree that it is all about ego. Good intentions aside, Nader has hurt the left by splitting the vote. I was not aware of this until a recent news story on American television. It would appear that his ego is to big to step down for the greater cause.

Ken

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 12:50 PM CDT

Name: rancette
Home Page: http://rancette.tripod.com/rancette/

You could always run them over after the election.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 1:01 PM CDT

Name: Ms Lauren and party Democrat
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mslauren2930/

despite the fact that I'm someone who (almost) never looks back, I so often find myself wondering just what would've happened in 2000 if those Nader votes in Florida had been for Gore instead. but then I tell myself, if Gore had really had the momentum in Florida to carry the state, the Nader vote would've been irrelevant (as would've been all those accidental votes for Buchanan). all the same, we on the left need to work collectively and together if we want to defeat the Bush/Cheney ticket. it's a shame that there are people out there who happily vote for Nader and then complain bitterly that W. is their president, when in fact they essentially tossed their vote aside for a third-party candidate who had no chance of winning. (oy, I love it when I'm incoherent)

having said all that, love the film and will be promoting it to my 5 readers on my journal.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 1:10 PM CDT

Name: chinq

Dear Cap'n,

Do you think we will have elections in November? It looks like the "Weather/Earthquake/Natural Disaster" machine is running full steam ahead.

What is the FEMA plan for elections during a disaster?

Chinquapin
P.S. Could Ralph have had too much exposure to heavy metals during his glory days?

P.P.S. Thanks for all your hard work.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 1:40 PM CDT

Name: Irena

Oh captain my captain..

Your hopes are waisted in me since I don't care what happens in your politics.. I'm here just for the fun and entertainment..

Best of luck in what ever you want to do/get done.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 1:49 PM CDT

Name: stony girl
Home Page: http://www.stonygirl.com

Captian Hoof,

Would you and your little celebrity friends please get off your high horse. How can you, or any self respecting liberal vote for a man who has stated plainly that even knowing what we know now about Iraq and the WMDs he would STILL have voted to go to war! If anyone should bow out of the race it is Kerry that way Liberals can vote for someone who is actually LIBERAL.

I will not vote for Kerry. I refuse. It doesn't matter how many celebrities you throw at me. It's my vote and I'll cast it for who I fucking want to.

Stony

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 1:52 PM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Dear A.S.

I am glad to hear your voice as an entry today. For the past four years, I have, for the first time in my life, found myself wishing that I were an American. I want to vote for "anyone but Bush". The man has done more to demolish what America stands for than anything that even the most ambitious terrorist could possibly come up with. While too many Americans live in blissful ignorance, I can attest to the fact that abroad, your country has become a symbol of ignorant arrogance, and blundering aggression. Unfortunately and whatever the real aims of Bush may be, it is the humble citizens of your country who will be paying the price for that for many years to come. And that makes me angry. It should make every single American out there angry too, thanks to Bush you all have a bullseye painted on your backs in far more countries in the world that you ever did.

The victims of your new image will likely be people who have been lulled into believing whatever lies that the Administration has fed them. And when something happens to them, they or their loved ones will be wondering why, because they believed the spin coming out of the White House and think that the rest of the world sees them in a white hat. Bush has painted it black for all of you and claims that it's white. Don't believe it. The world is far more dangerous for you and for the rest of us since GW decided to liberate/disarm/bring democracy to/"insert the current justification here" the country of Iraq. Thanks GW, how I long to vote against you for that.

I think of this every time that I see one of those poor unfortunates held hostage and beheaded in Iraq. I think of it when I hear the latest body count of dead young men who will never live to have or raise children. I thought of it when I heard from a friend of mine that her husband was in the building that was blown up in Iraq, killing the UN envoy. And I especially think of it when I see pictures of dead or maimed Iraqi children, pictures that never make it into the American press but can be seen everywhere else.

How Nader can in good concience, insert himself into a close race where he is sure to take votes away from "anyone but Bush" (I'm sorry, but being abroad it makes it difficult to follow what Kerry is saying, we don't get the US channels over here) is beyond me. The sad fact that he can allow his ego to overrule the good sense that he has obviously shown in the past should practically rule him out as a serious candidate to start with. I frankly found myself wondering if he hadn't sold out, although I will admit that this thought probably occured because I live in places that this sort of deal happens regularly.

I can't comment on your film at the moment, my internet sucks these days and I couldn't get the site to come up. Hopefully in the morning (my time) I might manage more speed.





Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:06 PM CDT

Name: princessr9

That's a possibilty, but I was sort of trying to prevent them from voting for the Masturnader. Sadly, anything I can think of appears to be illegal and generally not nice. Maybe I could settle for a "Don't be a Masturnader" t-shirt?

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:12 PM CDT

Name: Bard

Fabulous cartoon, Captain Hoof. Having Bush mow down the spotted owl was a particularly inspired bit of genius. I happen to agree 100 percent about Nader. He has done amazing work as a consumer advocate, and the Center for Auto Safety has performed a valuable public service for years. But Ralph has a monumental ego and is somewhat of an asshole--ask anyone who has ever worked for him, and I am sure they will confirm it.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:13 PM CDT

Name: unwillingsong

BRILLIANT! *applause* FABULOUS new word--MASTURNADER! And I think the film is a good beginning. But...we have 34 days, folks. MORE TALK. NOW.

I've just sent the link to my entire address book.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:19 PM CDT

Name: unwillingsong

It's certainly your right as an American citizen to vote for the candidate of your choice. *YAY DEMOCRACY* But...though it might be difficult to notice from way-up-there, that horse you're riding is mighty high itself.

Before you throw "information" and/or accusations around, why don't you do a little homework and check your facts. Perpetuating misinformation just demonstrates your own ignorance.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:24 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

The only Bush I trust is my own.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:25 PM CDT

Name: unwillingsong

It is certainly your right as an American citizen to cast your vote for the candidate of your choice. *YAY DEMOCRACY* But--might I point out--while it is probably difficult for you to notice from way-up-there--that horse you are riding is mighty high itself. You really should check your facts--perpetuating misinformation just makes you look silly.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:43 PM CDT

Name: Mouse

Stony girl-

Kerry voted for us to go to war in Afghanastan-immediately after 9/11. He didn't vote for us to go months and months later only so we could jump into another country so that Bush could try, without affect, to finish the job for his daddy. That's what Kerry means when he says he would vote for it again. You need to know the truth before you smoke the lies. I know that's hard when you're knee deep in bong water. Besides the only true liberal politician this country has seen in a long time died in a plane crash last year. Nader is a business man with a passion for money and the dramatics, not a passion for helping this country or it's people. He is however, a better businessman than our current so-called president who's every try at business failed.

Perhaps you are only voting for him because it's a grassroots vote, a green vote, and you are obviously a junkie for something funkie.

-Mouse

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 2:44 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

All legitimate arguments for sure, but as long as you depend upon the media as your source of information, you will only be as informed as the politics of the channel you watch. And the only thing worse than the American press, is the foreign press. So, don't think you are escaping our slants because you are elsewhere.

My best friend served proudly in Afghanistan and Iraq. The things that he tells me put things in a better perspective than I will ever gain from my own media access.

I'm sure my friend has plenty of his own biases to deal with, but I am glad that I have a unique viewpoint on which to judge events for myself. Heaven forbid I jump on a bandwagon.

And on another hand, I don't see why party preference is so relevant here. You've got a Republican who is anything but, and a Democrat who is everything but. But because of an overall ignorance to the historical delineations, we will never have the strength in numbers to demand a better, more qualified candidate to choose from. And even so, we would still have the electoral college to deal with. Which, admittedly, is something I've never understood anyway.

I, for my own lifestyle, am a pretty conservative Republican, but if I were ever to hold a public office my viewpoints for my constituents would be far more democratic.

So what am I? Ah, who knows.

And even today, people love to throw around conservative versus liberal. I've compiled many of these arguments, and I think I can say that no one who uses these terms understands the intentions of which they imply.

I wish our society could stop using labels as scapegoats and instead educate themselves upon the actual issues. But, above all, I am a realist, so I know this is far too much to ask or expect of the American public.

To you, Mr. Hoof, er...Captain if you insist, I certainly appreciate your concern for your interjection. In fact, to a great degree, I recommend, commend, and applaud you for voicing opinions that challenge others to become more informed.

You'll still love me if I encourage your voice; agree with many of your points; but fail to support your recommended plan of action, right?

Good luck, though. Whether your party wins or loses, if you have encouraged someone somewhere to vote, you have done your country a great service.


Here, have some fresh corn flakes. It's no fun eating the soggy, yellowed ones.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 3:00 PM CDT

Name: Nicole

Captain Hoof, since I am a decided voter this entry doesn't apply to me...but this is a clever way to promote your cause, for that I give you props...however I can't support this cause, I have one of my own...isn't America great like that. Take care and God Bless America.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 3:12 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

Well, Cap'n, can I assume you've officially confirmed at least 50% of the initial media speculation regarding this site?

Is this our lil secret or are you outing yourself for all?

Again, good luck in your campaign.



Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 3:39 PM CDT

Name: feenxc

hey, cap'n hoof, so glad to "hear" your voice. after all this time, i feel i already know ya.

as to nader, i live in one of the undecided states, and frankly haven't even heard much about him lately. i actually thought he had come to his senses and dropped out, or been forgotten. we can hope.

after reading canuck's comment, i am even more concerned. i don't know anyone who's interested in nader, but if i run into any, i'll pass your link on. i really only know one guy who still claims he's voting for bush. don't know if that's just the crowd i hang with, or a reliable cross-section of the public.

good job on the movie, keep us posted, please. the site made it sound like there's more to come.

kisshugs, tell rance i said "hey"

feenxc

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 4:04 PM CDT

Name: Ms Lauren

LOL! that may just become the next tagline for my journal....and of course I'll give you credit.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 4:27 PM CDT

Name: princessr9

Thanks Bubba, I think that might be TMI, but good to know just the same.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 4:33 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

If anyone actually listens and believes Bill O'Reilly, here is a good reason to finally wake up and realize he is a moron with no factual bases for any of his blatherings: (From E! Online:)

Comedy Central refuting Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, who called The Daily Show audience a bunch of "stoned slackers." According to Nielsen Media, viewers of Jon Stewart's show are more likely to have finished four years of college than people who watch The O'Reilly Factor.

***********************************

News From Three Battleground States:
Minnesota: Electoral Votes 10
Unemployment rate: 4.8%; 19,100 jobs lost since Bush took office.
Iraq casualities: 11

Wisconsin: Electoral Votes 10
Unemployment rate: 4.8%; 200 jobs gained since Bush took office.
Iraq casualities: 20

Iowa: Electoral Votes 7
Unemployment rate: 4.5%; 28,100 jobs lost since Bush took office.
Iraq casualities: 14

In three states, all that has been gained in 4 years is 200 jobs? Is that what Bush supporters call progress? 45 people from these three states have lost their lives trying to bring democracy to a country that has never known it, and will never know what to do with it. Is that what Bush supporters call progress in Iraq? Is that called winning a war? In three states, 86,707 people lost their jobs, you can bet they didn't benefit from Bush's tax cut.

In four years, all that's been gained in three states is 200 jobs...I weep for our future if he is re-elected.

-Bubba

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 4:47 PM CDT

Name: rancelot
Home Page: http://rancelot90265.tripod.com

I have a plan that will make everyone happy. I am sending all MasturNaders on an all expenses paid vacation to Cancun the week before the election courtesy of Kerry Kares. This eliminates their vote entirely, and gives them nothing but praise to say on behalf of Kerry. Good PR never hurts.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 5:40 PM CDT

Name: WendyJo

I am happy that you have decided to come out and talk to us, Captain.
As for the animation, I understand what you are trying to do, but I'm sure you know you are mostly preaching to the choir, here.
If I were to target Nader supporters, I would want to appeal to them from the very beginning, and calling Ralph "Masturnator" ain't gonna do it, it's gonna alienate them immediately. They won't come through the door. Maybe you should try a different tactic?
Analyze your prey. :)

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 6:14 PM CDT

Name: Reese

Congratulations on taking steps to convince the voters for Nader of the futility of casting their votes where they might actually count for something other than a voice in the desert. For years I have watched Nader's supporters casting their ballots for him and seeing the candidate who is the least qualified for the prestigious office of President be elected when those votes could have made a difference. Never would I seek to impugn the merits of Mr. Nader's intellect. He was a voice of reason and consumer advocacy which has made a change in the business practices of this country. Yet, Mr. Nader's repeated runs for the Presidency have been misguided and inept. Kudos to you for attempting to make a difference.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 6:14 PM CDT

Name: El

Snubby: I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Bubba: Is there a place online where I could see that information? I'd like to research those issues, also. I applaud your fact-based arguement, from the rest of these well-written but diluted comments. Bravo

El

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 6:20 PM CDT

Name: Sass

Great Toon!
Love the gleam of the teeth...

I think Sass, nikola1tesla, chinq, DICK, princessr9, ken and his better half.., rubber (I think she could be persuaded), rancette, unwillingsong, JCanuck, bard, feenxc, tad bitter, Annie, Thesarus, Duq, Gus, The Original Stupid George, Moses, Pepito Smith, Rocker(and whichever 16 girls he has a date with at the time), Edgar Frog, waxwing, Mrs. Bluebridge, Snuggs, Cat "Mrytle", and on and on AND ANY OTHERS I missed

.......should take a magic bus trip to kidnap Ralph.

We could do a video as we threaten to cut his ego out unless all those hypnotized by the BUSH guys...were let go to vote their right minds... Of course Rance would have to drive as he has done so well and Captainhoof can co-pilot the bus and give directions (excellent as always...)
Edgar would be in charge of graffitti.

Mascots, Bingo and Bob.


Later

S

PS: I will illustrate that. Speaking of which...everyone's talking screen play...WHAT about graphic novel?? They are so kewl right now.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 6:27 PM CDT

Name: NoNeedForThat

I love it when people present a small cross-section of statistics to support a point, rather than the whole set. I don't know what the nationwide numbers are, but I have a feeling they would be more appropriate to the conversation than the numbers of 3 specific states chosen to back up your point. If the national numbers were that poor, you probably would have put them up there[I haven't seen them, so I can't comment.]

I will say this: if you understand the concept of full employment in terms of economics [full employment means the equilibrium rate of employment for an economy, usually around 95%, not 100% employment], a below 5% unemployment rate is solid.

We've had what, 1000 soldiers die? Versus the thousands of Iraqis that would have died under Saddam's rule in that time? Any losses of human life should try to be averted at all costs, but I believe our soldiers have done more good for that country than we can ever quantify in terms of our lives sacrificed. This is changing the lives of millions. I hate to see anyone perish in such a fashion [war is hell], but if we can make the lives of millions better at the cost of a couple of thousand people, that's a trade I would grudgingly make. Diplomacy was not going to stop Saddam from starving and torturing his enemies.

"In three states, 86,707 people lost their jobs, you can bet they didn't benefit from Bush's tax cut."

Hey, a statement with no proof.

"45 people from these three states have lost their lives trying to bring democracy to a country that has never known it, and will never know what to do with it."

Another proofless statement.

Don't forget: we never knew democracy, and we had a few growing pains also. Democracy will be tough there because of the 3 big factions [Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd], but what happens in tyranny when one of the three gets all of the power? As we've seen, bad things usually happen to the other ethnic/religious groups.

"In four years, all that's been gained in three states is 200 jobs...I weep for our future if he is re-elected."

Actually, that would be a net loss of 37,000 using your numbers. Just trying to help you out.

--NoNeedForThat

PS: I'll give you one thing: I'm not a big fan of Fox News in general. Using the news as propaganda doesn't fit my ideals. I don't think intellectual Republicans believe Bill O'Reilly is telling the truth either.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 6:53 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld
Home Page: http://www.flyrchld@mindsay.com

I posted the link on my mindsay blog. Along with another interesting video http://www.sharedvoice.org/unamerican/.

Thanks to Mr. Captain Hoof. I'm sending the link to everyone I know... I'm placing a sticker on my bag to show support when I walk around the airports... suggestions or any other ideas?

fly

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 7:00 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

It's definitely about ego! Nader knows he really has no chance of winning, and that what he's doing has the potential to get Bush elected (I refuse to say re-elected as he wasn't legitimately elected in the first place, he's the guy the Supreme Court picked). Yet he just doesn't give a flying fuck.

Anybody remember the Nader Trader idea from four years ago? If you lived in a swing state and were planning to vote for Nader, the idea was you'd go register on this Nader Trader website and find yourself a Gore supporter in a state that was already decided. Then, you'd trade votes. Gore would get the vote in the swing state, and Nader would get a vote towards that percentage (3%?) that is required to get funding, so we could have another choice besides either of the Republocrats.

Or, jerk could just stop running and splitting the vote. He's not getting the popular vote he needs, and he's just messing everything else up. I don't think I can take another four years of the WarChimp.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 7:04 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

Now that needs to be on a T-shirt!

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 7:38 PM CDT

Name: Nancy D.

I've been trying to follow the "Interruption" series. It comes up backwards (last installment first) so it's kinda difficult.... but I'm managing.

But my heart leaps with joy to know that both piss and vinegar levels may be on the rise.

Hell. Everything else is on the rise. Cost of oil. Cost of milk. Terror alert levels (well, not yet.....it isn't close enough to the election...but it's coming). My blood pressure (see aforementioned election).

I, for one, am looking forward to Rance's view on the world, once again!

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 7:49 PM CDT

Name: Nancy D.

Aw Bubba.....

You're not going down that sorry ol' road of facts again, are you?

It's about being AFRAID! It isn't jobs. It isn't the war. It's about being AFRAID. VERY afraid. Orange level afraid, preferably.

Be Alert Orange afraid if Kerry is elected. {sigh}

If you insist on talking about jobs and the war..... well, you are just unAmerican. We are at WAR and if we change presidents, the terrorists are gonna see that as weakness. Don't you know that exercising democracy is a WEAKNESS?

Bubba Bubba Bubba..... you haven't been paying attention.

You must be one of us. The college graduated stoned slackers.

Makes me wonder.....

Does GW watch The Daily Show?????

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 9:07 PM CDT

Name: Lanie

Like so many out there, I too have ignored one too many an election. But not any more. I'll admit that I voted for Bush last time, and I won't make that mistake again. My cousin served two voluntary rounds in Kuwait before 9/11, and has been in Iraq for almost a year. One of my good friends husband is currently in Texas waiting to go, and he's National Guard! Who are we going to rely upon for protection if they're gone? Our local police? Puh-leez.

My stepfather worked his whole life, and retired from, Teamsters. (go ahead, make the cracks!) But he is a very strong democrat, and knows a lot about politics. More than I could dream of knowing. Before I vote, I always chat with him about it. Recently he told me something I haven't heard yet, maybe some of you have. Did you know that Bush, thus far, has spent more money during his four years than all past presidents combined? That's outrageous. Where is it going? Because it sure hasn't come by way of education costs, I know that for sure. Tuitions are going up, while financial aid is going down. We have a president who likes to fight wars more than take care of his own people. My grandmother always told us "charity begins in the home." Under your own roof of course, but the US is our home. Well most of us on here anyway. No matter what country you are from, that is your home. Charity MUST start there. You can't attempt to help others when you don't have a strong foundation to stand on. Don't get me wrong, I believe Saddam needed to be put where he is. But what happened to Bin Laden? After all, isn't he the one who sent those terrorists in the first place? Isn't he the one sitting back and laughing at us because he's still free to do it again? Why did the focus on Bin Laden jump to Saddam so quickly? Vengeance. Clear his father's image. That's all it is to Bush. Gotta bring Saddam down for daddy's sake.

It's sad. The whole thing is. Like so many I'm torn on where my vote will go. I definitely don't want Bush in there anymore, but as it usually works, a vote against Kerry is a vote for Bush, no matter who it is. It sucks, but that's the way it works. Kerry already has plans to help the little folk. Raising federal minimum wage is just one. Tax breaks for the rich--buh-bye.

No matter who you guys vote for, just get out and vote. That's the important thing. Make your opinions count. I read that almost 22 million women didn't vote last time. Same article stated that if every woman between the ages of 22 and 28 voted, we would pick the president each time.

Interesting.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 9:08 PM CDT

Name: Mia Toretto

I'm afraid of getting bashed here. Your mob of fans would more than likely die for you. Probably even kill me to please you. Perhaps, the future will reveal exactly the lengths of that truth, if war winds up coming over to the USA.

However, I think your motive is really good. I'm sorry I still have to cast my vote differently, as I am aware of more facts, than media hype.

Now, Nader, I agree, is not the candidate for me.

If by chance Ben Affleck were to step up to a more suitable stance, up to the plate, instead of behind it, I'd be all over voting for him. As soon as I knew his views and facts were mine.

God Bless America

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 9:09 PM CDT

Name: Lanie

Forget the Masturnader T's, I want one with Bubba's statement on it.

You could have a profitable little business idea here.

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 10:48 PM CDT

Name: Grace
Home Page: http://jedimasterbtch.tripod.com/mindlessramblingblog/

You've convinced me to vote for Kerry. In fact, I was convinced by Obama Barack (shades of glory that man can speak!) when he addressed the DNC.

The problem is - and it's relatively minor so I'm hoping you can help me out with it - I'm a Canadian living in Canada and some stupid American law won't let me vote. Can you look into this for me?

If you really are a Captain, it has super hero connotations attached to it, therefore if anyone can do this, Captain Hoof can!

Thanks!
Gracie

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 11:06 PM CDT

Name: Lora

Dear Captain Hoof:

Thank you for your post and the brief film you shared with us here today. I was very interested in reading your post and the ideas/concerns about Ralph Nader you and your colleagues share. I completely agree with your concerns on Nader.

I also want to thank you and Rance for having created this blog/forum, which has enabled many of us to have a dialog amongst ourselves. Since following Rance's blog I have met many interesting people from all walks of life that I would have not been able to meet under normal circumstances. Many of us have created our own blogs and are sharing vital ideas and information. Rance has been an inspiration to many regardless of the views we share.

At the same time I want to let you know that you have attracted an interesting group of people here. I hope you and Rance are aware of this. Having had the priviledge to have dialog with so many here I want to let you know that in my opinion you have lots of intelligent readers on board. We all come from various backgrounds yet each one of us has been interesting and unique and quite fascinating in their own way.

Many thank you's to you and Rance. I personally miss Rance a lot and look forward to his upcoming post.

Best wishes,
Lora

Tuesday, 28 September 2004 - 11:15 PM CDT

Name: Lora

RDD, excellent idea! If Captain Hoof or Rance has the power to bring Mr. Kerry over here for one day to do a Q & A that would be much appreciated. I have tons of questions for Mr. Kerry. Captain Hoof could collect the questions in advance and pick the best for Mr. Kerry to answer...

Best wishes,
Lora

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 3:29 AM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Snubby,

I am not relying solely on the foreign media for my information. As you may or may not know, I live the life of an expat, and so see first hand the change in attitude that the world has undergone in regards to the USA. It saddens the hell out of me, because I know that the average American is not they way that they are now perceived. As it stands, your citizens still are given the benefit of a small doubt, many people elsewhere refuse to believe that Bush and his actions are representative of what you and your country stand for. However, that benefit of the doubt will vanish if you re-elect him, as you will have effectively declared to the world that you agree with what he has done.

Afghanistan - I don't think that anyone will argue against the need to go in and root out Al Qaeda. What I will say on this subject is that it was handled very badly. Too few troops and far too much reliance on the local warlords to do the dirty work. The end results are less than stellar. Osama is still on the loose somewhere, and the security situation outside of Kabul is catastrophic. This has effectively recreated the same social climate that allowed the Taliban to come to power in the first place. If it interests you, that information comes from a friend who was in Afghanistan during the time of the Taliban, and who was brought back following the fall of same to help elaborate the international aid program that they were hoping to put into place.

Iraq - Those of the commentors who read other blogs that gravitate around this one are aware that at the time of the run-up and execution of the Iraq invasion, I was living in one of the neighboring countries. So let me explain to you what I saw first hand. First, a little background. This particular Muslim country has been a staunch US ally for decades. Their way of life, at least in the big cities is decidedly Americanized, and they are proud of it. This is a country that aspires to be like yours. Or did, at any rate. Thanks to the way that they were treated and literally threatened (Wolfowitz in particular), they have since strengthened their regional ties with countries that are not on your "friends" list. 40+ years of admiration for your country took a serious hit because the people in your current administration decided to treat them like lapdogs and when they balked at this, publicly humiliated them. Way to go!

They, and I might add, most of the foreign government representatives including those of the so called "coalition" knew perfectly well that Iraq was not a threat. This from the horses mouth, so to speak, many of these people are friends or friends of. The people of this country have long term cultural ties with Iraq and likely considerably more intelligence information from the inside than the US did. They were not worried about Saddam's supposed "WMD" since they knew that they didn't exist. I suppose that all of the other neighboring countires also knew this, and passed this information along. The fact that Bush and Co. decided to go in anyways on this basis left them and their populations thinking one of two things:

They don't believe us, and think that our intelligence services are incompetent.

They know that what they are saying isn't true, and are going after the oil.

This latter seemed to have been the majority mindset. And I personally saw many of my friends from this country start to wonder about your country. A country that they had long admired, looked up to and trusted. In one fell swoop, you were no longer perceived as being a benevolant giant who carries a big stick and looks out for the little guy, but an arrogant bully who thinks nothing of beating the crap out of a smaller kid in the schoolyard, and stealing his lunch money, ball and shoes. Along with whatever else interests you in his knapsack.



Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 7:48 AM CDT

Name: Vash

I think its pretty obvious that all the "natural" disasters are created by the republican propaganda attack machine.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 8:31 AM CDT

Name: Cheryl

As my attorney says, she has no idea why anyone who was not very rich would want to vote for Bush. If you are very rich and you want to keep your money, vote for Bush. It's really that simple. Why anyone middle or lower class want Bush really makes no sense. These are her words, in her humble, yet highly educated and informed opinion. She's never been wrong so far.

Nice work on the political statement, A.S. Enough insanity.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 10:46 AM CDT

Name: susy

OHHHHHHH, Admin Staff, YOU ROCK!!!!!! So good to hear something stimulating again......."Masturnader" wonderful clip! Forwarded to all my friends - no masturnaders - sorry, but they deserve a good laugh too. Politics is definitely a hot topic, I just wish more people would get involved instead of running after the herd (sorry if anyone feels offended - not intended!). DEMOCRAT all the way, lets re-establish respect for America all over the wold! And much more, a.s.o, a.s.o, a.s.o, so much more involved, so little time and space to write........
Take good care, good luck with your endevor, keep on posting............. S.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 11:39 AM CDT

Name: ilaon

Captain! Nice to hear from you. Saw the clip.....like it. Glad your doing something worthy for this monumental election!! Down with Masternadar, the ego maniac! Thanks to all for their hard work on the film. If Bush steals another four years i am moving to a free country. My piss vinegar count could not handle 4 more years of this &*$*%&*%^!!!!

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 11:56 AM CDT

Name: cat

There are not many countries where you could hold such a forum as this in complete freedom to have differing opinions. So thank God I am an American. While I appreciate all the thought that goes into all these comments I must say that WendyJo's comment seems the most preceptive to me. I agree that Nader will probably take votes away from the democrats. But you know there are some people who just don't like either candidate that well. If they didn't have Nader to vote for maybe they would be writing in Alfred E. Newman's name. Unfortunately it may be late in the game to try to start leading potential Nader votes into another direction.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 12:03 PM CDT

Name: princessr9

Ok, how about "Don't be a Masturnader" on the front and "The only Bush I trust is my own" on the back?

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 12:12 PM CDT

Name: Sass

I second that. Lora. This has been, still is and hopefully will continue to be a 'sui generis' thingy. I can't imagine where it would ever be duplicated. Thanks to Rance, the Captainhoof and the whole crew. We need to buy them new paperbags or something appropriate. What do you give your anonymous celebrity/actor-people/commentary organizing bloggers? Loads of piss and vinegar? Great job guys and keep rocking in the blog world.

I also agree with Cheryl...so I've posted in between....It is that simple, almost. I don't get the middle class. For example my sister and her husband are Republicans...mid class...they have had such a hard time lately...my sister has turned Kerry. Her husband is a lost cause. He is the type that need to be brought over from the dark side.
I think that group will either make or break it for Kerry.
I'm worried about that group.


Later

S

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 12:16 PM CDT

Name: El

This is a refute to others' statements, but no offense is meant by it; it is only my humble opinion:

Most of "the rich" are not well-off just because they were born with money or exceptional opportunity, let me remind you.

I know from personal experience that is is not impossible to go from lower-middle class to upper class in income level. I also can't agree to tax people who work for their money (and have worked hard to get to the place where they can make x amount of money) more than those who aren't as fiercely dedicated to making a life for themselves.

"Rich" people work just as hard as the rest of the country, they are not all idle, jaded, greedy people. They deserve tax cuts just as much as anybody else does.

That being said, I love reading everyone's comments and political stances. It's really exceptional the spread of views we have to learn from, here at Rance's lovely blog. Thank you for bringing up this issue, Captain, it's a powder keg!

El

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 12:28 PM CDT

Name: Ms Lauren
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mslauren2930/

well, to add one last comment to this thread....I had something rather lengthy that I wanted to write/say, but have decided against it because I really ought to work when I'm here in the office....

however, the short comment to Cheryl's comment is this, my guess as to why so many middle or lower income vote for Bush is his stance on issues such as gay marriage and abortion....or they harbor these irrational fears re: terrorism (I think I have more reason to worry as I live in the DC area, which was actually a major target and was hit on 9/11, than do people in the middle of nowhere USA) and think they'll only be safe with the Patriot Act, preemptive strikes and W....or, they feel strongly about the right to own a gun, or they're "Christian" like him....then we also have the death penalty....shall I go on? I think quite a few people are willing to overlook a lot (like watching their jobs get outsourced) they may dislike about W in favor of their agreement with his stands on these other various issues.

but that's just me and my $.11, for what it is or isn't worth. personally I'm exhausted by this election, but of course the race for the AL East is just as heated, so everywhere I look is nothing but stress....of course it matters more who the next president of this country is than it does who wins the AL East.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:04 PM CDT

Name: stony girl

OMG! This is nurrie munching hell! No wonder Rance is bored with it.

People just astound me. You are all such sheep. You just follow right where they want you to go and think everything is hunky dorey. Well that fine for you, but there are people in the world who don't buy spin, and haven't been buying the spin for a long time now.

No one, not Rance or Captian or Barbara Striesand is going to convince me to vote for Kerry. There is only one person who can convince me to do that and that is John Kerry.

It bothers me that you "stop nader" people are spending all this time and energy bashing Nader when you should be telling us why Kerry will be a good president or at least bashing Bush. It's as if everyone knows Kerry can't go toe to toe with Bush so they are trying to knock out the little guy, to get his votes. It doesn't make me want to vote for your candidate and it could make me not want to see your movie.

But you need not worry about me and my one little vote. Afterall there are plenty of sheep in the world that will follow where you lead. Just becareful what cliffs you lead them off of.



Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:19 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

Kerry update: He's now against the war. Wait, he's for it. Wait, he's against it. WAIT, he's for it EVEN KNOWING that no WMD's have been found. WAIT, it's a mistake again and never should've happened... Ok, it's not fair to harp on one issue.

How about the budget for the war... wait, ok, lets find something else... military, service, intel, economy, ok, so none of the issues are fair to talk about, because Kerry fans will think you're bashing him unfairly... I mean, the fact that he missed +60% of the 108th congress session and still got paid all his salary, that not one bill in 20 years has passed with his name on it, hm, even his 4 months as RAMBO (although Rambo at least bled when he got HIS purple hearts. Kerry didn't even need a band-aid) have been shot to hell by people that were there... His supporters are creating documents to TRY to get dirt on GWB and even Dan Rather took his best shot and started kissing ass when it blew up in his face... NOT for promoting it and failing to verify the documents, but for getting CAUGHT (flash back to the Clinton era)... The very government full of secret deals and lies that the leftist hippies I see in San Francisco fear will take over the world, THEY WANT TO INSTALL IN THIS ELECTION! Nutballs, all of ya.

GO NADER! He only has 1% of the total vote. You wanna go after that remaining 1%, have fun. I think I'll donate to Nader today.

BTW- Carl Rove, would just point out Kerry's own statements and actions (or lack of) over the last 40 years, and especially the past 1 year, and the people will abandon Kerry. Wait, that's exactly what he did! Kerry's message, is out. The people ARE listening, he's getting through loud and clear, they just don't want the brainless shit he stands for. THANK GOD!

~Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:21 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeeeeeeeeee

I'll watch it on your journal, just for you m'dear...

~MIKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:24 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

Wait Stony, he just reversed his position again, he was speaking with Barbara Walters (i think...) and has changed his position again, he's now totally against it.

Wait, it's been over a couple hours, he might be for it again, better check his site to know for sure. www.IDontCareAboutAnyoneButMyEgoAndBeingMyRichWifesPersonalBitch.com

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:35 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

Now Now NoNeedForThat, don't remind the natives that job creation ISN'T THE JOB OF THE PRESIDENT, it's the job of a Dictator. Government creates jobs in a system different from that of Capitolism. Anyone remember the USSR?

There's how many more MILLIONS of people in the job market today then 4 years ago? oops, wouldn't want to upset the leftist whackos with facts... You know, if teachers TAUGHT government, and were required to be decent teachers to keep their job, so many kids would have a better shot at a good life, instead of depending on handouts.

But hey, that's just my opinion. I went to public schools.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:42 PM CDT

Name: coit

I'm sure this won't get published, but here goes....

I case you folks in the US and abroad aren't aware, a signficant portion of the US is of the moderate to conservative political bent. Many believe that the split between the conservative and liberal sides of the fence is right at 50%, depending upon which way the wind is blowing..

As such, this blog where people are self-congratulating themselves on their silly story hardly seems the place to carry out a political mission.

I thought the video was quite lame. Captain, I dare you to print this!

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:45 PM CDT

Name:

well said stony girl!

now can anyone explain why kerry is better than bush.
can you back up all the talk.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 1:46 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

The fears aren't irrational. The biggest threat to mass loss of life, is attack at the present time. When it's earthquakes again, I'll let you know. Being in the Bay Area, I know about this. I'm a first responder, I have the facts first hand from the people that lead us. As a leader myself... yeah, this is without a doubt the biggest threat. Kerry could get me or my troops killed. I know this as fact, reviewing his VARIOUS positions on everything.

We currently have a course of action. 100%, 90, 80, what ever percent correct (minimum 80% correct in my opinion). Kerry, he only wants the office. He's a disgrace to anyone that's worn the uniform, and to all members of Congress. He hasn't done ANYTHING in 20 years. His picture hangs in Vietnam as a hero of VC supporters. He's the worst kind of person. He turned his back on his brothers that were caged like McCain, giving the enemy support. Edwards was a better choice. But now, I hope the Johns, are FLUSHED in little over a month, and we can all move on.

Ok, I think I put $.25 in... Can I get some change back?

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 2:11 PM CDT

Name: toni

Bravo stony girl!

I too am sick and tired of the crap.

Mr. Kerry - Don't direct me to a website to hear your plan, Tell me. Don't bring up the past because we already KNOW! Tell me something NEW.

What will you do differently Mr. Kerry? and please don't blow smoke up my ass and turn around 30 seconds later and change your tune!

Stoney Girl, What part of this don't they understand? Don't they have a spine or a direction? If they do then why don't they shout it and contiually stand by it and then maybe, just maybe they'll get my vote.

sometimes stupid people just piss me off.
thanks for listening.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 2:54 PM CDT

Name: feenxc

ok, sass, i'll climb on board that bus, so long as you do the illustration! can't wait to see it (us). let us know when it's posted...

kisshugs

feenxc

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 3:18 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

Even Woodrow Wilson, one of the greatest orators of all times, still depended largely on skirting the opinions of the important issues. As a matter of fact, when he starting his campaigning, he hadn't even decided on most of the issues he became famous for championing.

I, for one, feel that this election is largely based upon who you feel is the lesser of the two evils.

At least with Bush, you have an idea of what you are getting yourself into. With Kerry, I'm not so sure. I guess if you are a gambler, you could give it a shot...

Canuck (not good with names) brings up an interesting morsel for thought about Americans re-electing Bush as a statement of supporting what the world disagrees with.

One of my biggest reasons for supporting the continuation of Bush is because I think switching leaders in the middle of a world crisis is similar to allowing ourselves to be caught with out pants down. I don't think now is the time to put ourselves in an increasingly vulnerable position on that international level. And, with Kerry as the replacement, it makes me shiver in my boots. Because, I am of the thought that Kerry is about as good a figure-head as an overcooked spaghetti noodle.

I don't think anyone would really even desire to have been in Bush's shoes for the past 4 years. He has faced some extremely tough, unprecedented issues. So, naturally, it would be hard for a majority of our citizens to support him on everything he has countered.

And despite some of his debatable choices, I was educated that the president is mostly a figure-head and there are 535 other people in DC that are more responsible for making and enacting the decisions than one man could ever be.

Now, I'm not the most politically enlightened, so I guess the argument here could be how they "falsified" information and misled Congress and the American public. I dunno. I can't really comment on that because I think that's an irrelevant issue when taken in the greater scheme of the things we as Americans will never know about the world around us. (Do I or do I not support the Elitist Theory?? Hmmm....)

Even at my own dinner table, we have some that agree and some that disagree with the Iraq situation. I support the cause because I think that the goal was accomplished. Now, it scares me to know what they will do with Hussein after the fact, and it does bother me that they are continuing in a highly half-assed manner with the defeat of opposition groups. Others, even though they are glad that Hussein is gone, still think that we had no business whatsoever being there and doing what we did. But, even so, the person still supports the Bush camp more strongly than the Kerry camp. (Even though he will more than likely vote for Nader again. And if not Nader, Bush. So this is one person Rance and Hoof would rather see vote for Nader.)

That issue aside, I strongly disagree with a lot of Bush's social agendas. On the basis of gay marriage alone I would not urge his re-election. I personally don't support the concept of marriage at all, viewing it as a seriously antequated religious ritual that has no place within a legal and governmental realm. However, since it is recognized to the magnitude that it is, I think anyone should be entitled to do so if they wish.

I could give a rat's pananny about the little tax returns. I agree with his reasoning behind giving them, but it just wasn't necessary in my opinion. And with hindsight being 20/20 about our current budget deficit, it probably wasn't the best decision.

As most people seem to be saying, I really don't see what Kerry has to offer that would be an improvement over our current situation. I would thrive for some enlightenment written in some relatively simple layman's English, because I am a blonde and things just register a little more slowly for me than for others. Rance? Is that your ballpark?

I apologize in advance that most of my arguments probably sound like they are on a fifth grade level. I am the perfect example of the uneducated American public that I spend so much time bitching about. Despite my handicap, though, I am always open and willing to listen and learn from those around me.

I'm not an arguer, I'm a debator. The difference is that debators are willing to consider the views of their opponent and willingly structure their thought processes around them. Arguers stick strongly to their own belief structure and never modify anything because they are not willing to listen or learn.

Well, I could talk ALL day about these issues. But, typing IS somewhat cumbersome. So, I guess I'll sign out for now.

Mr. Canuck, consider this in response to you as well. (For now) If I have time and anything else relatively intelligent to say, I will address you personally. Remember, I've got two kids, and apparently 3 hotdogs each isn't enough....

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 3:37 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Interesting comment El and I agree with the fact that lots of people who are now rich used to be poor. They worked their way up through the ranks. My parents are prime examples of this.

I live in a town where 50% of our school aged children are on the government lunch program...Why? Because there are no jobs? No. Because the majority are uneducated, unskilled, drug addicts or simply L-A-Z-Y. They'll never get ahead even if we tax the rich to death. They live off the system and USE the system to their fullest advantage. One family has just finished adopting their FIFTH unwanted child. Why? To help a poor child that nobody wants? No. To get another CHECK! And the poor children, to have the people for parents, it's pathetic.

Every piece of clothing my children out grow I give to the school to give to the less fortunate. Sad thing is, once given to most of these children they'll last maybe a month cause they don't take care of what they do have.

When their parents do have cash they use it to purchase cigarettes, soda and junk food.

Welfare is an unsuccessful program. The professional do nothings are living off of our dimes, merely getting by with just enough food to keep their kids from starving and putting ratty clothes on their back that are hardly washed, never bathing their own children, but making it to the bar every Friday and Saturday night while they leave the kiddies home alone. They can afford cigarettes and pot and meth, but no soap or toothpaste or decent food.

I guess my biggest problem with the ideas of the Democrats is the appearance of enabling a generation of people who do nothing, porch sitters we call 'em, and the generation of sexually abused, mentally ill, food deprived children these do nothings have spawned. I know this first hand. I see it everyday....

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 4:25 PM CDT

Name: uthinkyouknowme

Regardless of whether you are Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative, male or female, purple or candy apple red. Everyone in the US can have a vote, everyone can have a say and freely voice their opinions. Ain't it great!?!? (Unless of course you are a convicted felon, then you have no say-so)

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 4:46 PM CDT

Name: Bubba

It was actually stats I read in my local paper (which is located in a battleground state), collected and written by an AP reporter, there are a number of websites online that do statistical research. I'm planning on going to one of them later, when I have the time to argue, to defend my "statements." But right now there's cows to be milked, not that I have any cows. There's a lot going on in the world besides a war and an election. There's millions of people in Africa who are being massacred, raped, and are now homeless and starving because of their religion- but Iraq is more important. There's a dictator creating nuclear weapons in N. Korea, but that's not as important as Kerry's swinging grapevine. There's a potential dictator working his magic in Russia, but that's not as important as name calling, mocking, and just being nasty to peeps on this site. Not saying this to you El, just saying it in general to people who never speak up or post- never write anything art worthy, just shout Jenga! and knock at the front door when they are politically frustrated, which is far worse then being sexually frustrated.

It seems that an entire nation of people is reading to kill, hate, and destroy others over two..er, sorry, 2 and a half men who either way, walk out with more money than I'll make, in two life times. So to the guy, and I'm guessing it was a guy based on the writing, who said I had a bunch of statements, wow way to go, you just threw a bunch of statements back at me..you sure proved a point. By the way, if I had wanted to show a national demographic of stats, I would have and could, the point was I was showing a demographic of three battleground states. I'm sure things are quite different in Hawaii, and even more different in Montana (Hi Annie) and even more different and difficult in Michigan. Or perhaps in certain parts of Ohio, Mississippi, or Alabama were they don't have enough money to fix schools, buy new books, or give kids pencils. Or perhaps in the Oglala Sioux N.A. reservation were they can't buy anything for their schools, including a snow plow to get kids to the school in the winter. (You can donate school supplies, and other needed things by looking up "Helping the Oglala Sioux" online). There are people in need here in this country, as well as in Iraq, and other places abroad, why have people forgotten that?

I love these little political scuffles the Rance site causes but I still only come here to laugh, and now I'm just getting poked at by men with small penises and big mouths. Hey, I never said I wouldn't mock a mocker. Bring back the story, or I'll just sit and post facts all day, not that I did today this was all a giant statement..here's another one...Gore beat Bush in all three of those battleground states by over 64,000 votes.

By the way, Stony Girl- you and others have asked why Kerry is so great (he's not, he's just better than nothing which is what I see from everybody else) but you've never said why Nader is so great?..please explain, or stop repeating yourself, we heard you the first time.

We are living in a material egomaniacal world, and I just live here and want to stay alive.
And I'm done with this, unless I get bored and feel like posting facts in order to save face, but thankfully, I don't feel the need to since, no one will ever see my face, and I really don't give a flying burrito. People are just generally nastier during times of elections, it's the stress of not getting what they want, and because we're a ego driven country, we want everyone to want what we want. What I want is peace, love, art, beauty, and truth..and I'm looking for them..and trying, not to judge others for doing the same. Learning and Trying...

-Bubba

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 5:56 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

The lives of "a couple thousand" Americans is a trade you'd grudgingly make? Why aren't you over there fighting then, being one of those thousand people so my friend can come home to his 9 year old daughter? That's mighty big of you to sacrifice the lives of thousands of other people to bring democracy to people who may not even want it! Be willing to make the sacrifice yourself before you're willing to sacrifice others.

How about this? We "sacrifice" a couple thousand Muslim people and make the lives of millions of Americans better by spending these billions of dollars that have gone to the war on things like health care and education? How does that sit with you? (*Disclaimer--it's not really my position to sacrifice Muslim people, I'm just trying to make the point.*)

Also, the comment about 200 jobs being created wasn't about net jobs. It was pointing out that of the three states in the example, only one state had jobs gained, and that was only 200 jobs. But if it makes you feel better to focus on the net loss of 37,000, why should I stop you?

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 6:11 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

Mikeeeee,
I've enjoyed your posts to date, but this one raised my piss and vinegar levels through the roof, so I had to respond.

How dare you use this to malign the public school system and teachers? Have you ever taught? I'll have you know, it's not the easy job that some think it is. Tonight, I have sixty math papers to grade, a test and a review to write, and lessons to plan. This is on my off time, which I'm not getting paid one thin dime for. I also need to look into taking some classes in the evenings so I can get my master's degree, so that I can earn an income that puts me above the poverty level. Though I haven't figured out how I'm going to pay for it with my $20,000 outstanding loans (since the government won't contribute much to higher education).

Every teacher I know has worked their ass off at their job, for little or no gratitude. And that's OK, we don't do it for the gratitude-we do it for the joy of teaching. However, when people start smearing teachers in public (i.e. if teachers "were required to be decent teachers to keep their job"), I can't and won't stand for that. I had a student today struggling with a lesson. I did NOT give her a handout. Rather, I spent a lot of class time explaining, and re-explaining in every different way I could think of, the concept to her. I kept her a few minutes after class as we went through it some more. We stayed a few minutes after school until she had to catch the bus. I'll be there at 7:30 in the morning waiting for her, and anybody else who needs it, to come get help. I am a decent teacher, and I care about my students. I do more for them than many of their parents do. Your implications that there aren't many decent teachers just pisses me off to no end! Come do my job for awhile, and then we'll talk. In the meantime, shut your mouth about things you really don't know anything about.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 6:29 PM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Ahem Snubby, if you get around to answering me personally and just for your info **whispers** that's Mrs. Canuck...

It's late here, and I've just gotten rid of my 10 dinner guests, so a well reasoned answer will have to wait until tomorrow I'm afraid.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 6:35 PM CDT

Name: kj4ever
Home Page: http://kj4ever.blogspot.com

Fear.

Fear will decide this election.

It will all depend on which fear is greater in the American population: The threat of more terrorist attacks, or what George W. might do with 4 more years.

It is hard to vote for Kerry when Kerry doesn't even know what Kerry wants.

It is hard to vote for Bush when he seems to push his weight around the world and piss everyone off.

It all depends on this. Do you want to elect a Bully, or a wishy washy wimp.

Not much of a choice.

Fear is never good.

My life has improved greatly with the Bush administration, but it isn't because of the Bush administration. It is because I scratched and crawled and fought and worked my damn ass off to be where I am.

So that is not a factor for me. I am an average American living a very good life because of what I did for myself-not what the government did for me. Which is how it is supposed to be, right?

Bush still scares the hell out of me. I just haven't decided if he scares me more then Kerry or not.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 6:59 PM CDT

Name: NoNeedForThat

I think you're going overboard there, although you have a decent point. The president should be a factor in the overall economic health of the country. Employment is just one of those factors. His effects should be indirect though.

Besides, everyone knows Alan Greenspan has run the economy for the last 15 years. Every President claiming to be responsible for the economy or a challenger blaming it on the President is only half true at best. Mr. Greenspan runs the show, for all intensive purposes.

I hate economics, but it really should be manditory, so people actually understood what they were talking about rather than rehashing facts they saw from an "expert" [who was probably an economist.] It gives people a much better picture of the factors and influences on the economy, even if it is a general picture.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 7:08 PM CDT

Name: Reese
Home Page: http://reesec-58.tripod.com/blog

Throughout the pages of comments I see so much diversity in the thoughts. I don't believe Rance told any one where to cast their vote. He did not impugn Mr. Nader's intelligence. He questioned his motivations for repeatedly seeking this office after having been thoroughly trounced each time. He asked that Nader supporters give up a lost cause where their votes might be cast to better use. This does not constitute anything other than his opinion. What one decides to do after hearing his opinion is their choice.

Some people forget...everyone in this country is entitled to their opinion and to voice such. To paraphrase..."I may not agree with that opinion but I will fight to the death to uphold your right to have it."

All protest the condition of the welfare state which they attribute to the liberal Democrats. You don't like it, find a way to fix it. The policies of the Republicans have cost American jobs...you don't like it, find a way to fix it.

The apathy of the American voter has been well documented. I shall not cite statistics as I'm sure many of you are aware they are readily available to those who care to find them. Break the mold...exercise your right to vote. Examine the candidates and the issues. Don't let the muckraking and mudslinging blur your vision or your intelligence. Personally, I didn't give a rat's ass what sexual proclivities Clinton had...far as I could see, the man was doing a good job...we experienced an upsurge in the economy and there were welfare reforms being instituted.

As far as one man's sexual proclivites, you wanna examine history. FDR, JFK and a few others wouldn't stand up to the type of scrutiny today's politicians are subjected to but would you say that they were not great leaders?

Personally, I would love to see at least one election in my lifetime ran on the issues, not the skeletons in someone's closet...or yellow journalism. Look at the man...look at what he has or has not done during previous tenure of other offices.

Now to make y'all hoot....I voted for Peirot. Why? Because he wanted to run the government like a business. As it is a business, why should it be subject to other than the principles of a sound business? Maybe we should all vote for Bill Gates as President. Heaven knows he's running a huge business and running it well.

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 8:17 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Hmmmmm, something I know about is that I just finished having a conversation with an 11 year old boy who is in the 6th grade and doesn't know how to read. Has he been tested for Dyslexia? No. His teachers? They speak of him as one whose time has come and gone....A has been at 11. Chalked up to "pass him along so I don't have to bother with him next year..." My question is how could each teacher, in succession, since 1st grade pass him along to the next knowing that he can't read. If you can't read, you're screwed. The system has failed him. And no, he isn't uncapable.

And I agree, teachers ARE underpaid, but it's rather irksome to me that they complain about grading papers on their "own dime" when their job affords them the ability to schedule their work around their children, go home by 3:30 p.m., have every major holiday off, Christmas Break and Summer Break...not many jobs I know do that...

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 8:20 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

I agree. We're between a rock and a hard place with no where to turn...Damned if you do, damned if you don't....

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 9:16 PM CDT

Name: Celina

First of all, thanks for the site. Secondly, being from/living in Florida, I say "HELP!"

I had this whole rant thing happening, inspired by my husband, and just deleted it all...let's just leave it at "good film, will do on passing it along."

Celina
A very worried Kerry supporter in Miami

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 9:24 PM CDT

Name: Annie
Home Page: http://www.montannie.blogspot.com

Strolls over to Captain's table and whispers:

"Masturnader made the Defamer"

Publicity is publicity!

Wednesday, 29 September 2004 - 11:21 PM CDT

Name: Narphinugan

Its good to meet you Captain Hoof. I thought the movie was rather strange and didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Rubber Duckie has an excellent point regarding the fact that Kerry really hasn't given me anything to decide on yet.

All I can say is that I've heard him talk about how bad Bush is. What will be different in 4 years with a Kerry administration?

Great question Rubber Duckie!

-Narphinugan

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 12:11 AM CDT

Name: El

Thank you, Rubber Duckie, that was much more concrete and articulate than I was. Exactly my point.

I believe, also, that someone said there was no reason for the lower or middle class to vote for Bush?

I have to disagree with that. The percentage of homeowners is higher now than it has been for decades, because of Bush's American Dream Downpayment Act and Zero-Downpayment Initiative for the FHA (both created to help families, single parent or otherwise, buy and finance homes), the unemployment rate, as of August, is at 5.4%, and he's trying to make health insurance more affordable to the lower-middle class.

On a more objective level: it is incredible how polarized this group of people is on the election. I don't think I have read a post from anyone who doesn't have a set opinion about one candidate or the other. Anyone going to catch the debate on foreign policy tomorrow night? I know I'll be in front of my tv.

We should make it a date and discuss it later, a la nastrovia's global toast.

El

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 12:28 AM CDT

Name: Patrick

While most are looking at the race for President odds are many people are not aware that both the House and the Senate will see gains by Republicans in this election. Just how depressed is the "entertainment political machine" going to be after that? I understand how entrainment people want to get involved, but I think that most of America turns them off as soon as they begin to speak. The plain and simple fact is that MOST people of this country do not share the values or political point of view that the entertainment industrial complex does. But I will look forward to reading and hearing which entertainer is going to move out of the USA!

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 3:01 AM CDT

Name: stony girl

Top Ten Reasons You should vote for Nader

10. He's for reforming the Electoral System so that the person with the most votes wins and so every vote is counted properly.

9. He supports a single-payer health care plan that replaces for-profit, investor-owned health care and removes the private health insurance industry (full Medicare for all).

8. He supports a new clean energy policy that no longer subsidizes entrenched oil, nuclear, electric and coal mining interests -- an energy policy that is efficient, sustainable and environmentally friendly that includs renewable energy like wind and other forms of solar power, more efficient automobiles, homes and businesses ? one that breaks our addiction to oil, coal and atomic power.

7. He supports an Employee Bill of Rights and an increase in the minimum wage.

6. He supports industrial hemp as a renewable resource for fuel, fiber, food and paper.

5. He believes we should crack down on corporate crime and has a 12 step plan to do so.

4. He supports ending the war on drugs and replacing it with educational based systems that have shown a high sucess rate that the current policy.

3. He supports gay marriage and equal rights for gays and lesbians.

2.He believes in creating new jobs by supporting much needed public works projects. (schools and roads)

1. He supports the withdrawl of all US troops and corporations from Iraq and has a three step plan to get the US out as quickly as possible.


Sorry it took me so long to reply. I wanted to be able to give this post my full attention.


Now, can someone please tell me why I should vote for Kerry?

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 4:55 AM CDT

Name: Chris
Home Page: http://www.flipflopkerryandlawyersSUCK.com

Oh Cheryl, there are so many problems that I have with your comment.....
For one the very rich are not and should not be the only ones voting for Bush. If you are a Christian..ok let's scratch that part so as not to offend any non believers out there..if you believe in the right to life you should vote for Bush. If you believe in personal responsibility then you should vote for Bush. If you don't want terrosists and their acts of violence on U.S. soil you should vote for Bush, I could keep going but that would keep me from my major beef with your post. What is wrong with you?!?! YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE CRAP/LIES THAT SEEP OUT A LAWYER'S MOUTH!!??

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 5:17 AM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Snubby,

A few things stood out in your response that I can't help myself from addressing:

**One of my biggest reasons for supporting the continuation of Bush is because I think switching leaders in the middle of a world crisis is similar to allowing ourselves to be caught with out pants down. I don't think now is the time to put ourselves in an increasingly vulnerable position on that international level.**

You should probably ask yourself just why you are in the middle of a crisis. My thoughts on this are that first, Bush made a bad decision in how he decided to handle Afghanistan. Not enough troops on the ground in the first place, and too many pulled out afterwards to concentrate on Iraq. They didn't even get the man responsible for killing +/- 3000 Americans on your own soil! I don't know how aware you are as to the causes of the rise of the Taliban in the first place, so forgive me if I am about to tell you something that you already know.

The US trained and armed not only the Taliban, but also the local warlords during the time that Russia had gone into Afghanistan, for obvious reasons. Following the withdrawal of Russia, the US quickly lost interest and pretty much left this country to it's fate. Rape, pillage, murders perpetrated by the various warlords and extreme insecurity was the result. The Taliban gained support at this time, as they were seen as a force that could restore order to the country. Which in fact, they did, despite the despicable methods that they used.

Currently, we can see the same situation repeating itself. Heavily armed warlords control much of the country and the general level of insecurity is high. Bush's grandiose words of a "Marshall Plan" for Afghanistan were not followed by the funds to put it into action, in fact he "forgot" to include any foreign aid to this country in his 2003 budget request. What is obvious to me is that he has learned nothing from the mistakes that were made in the past in Afghanistan, and is making the same ones all over again. Give this situation a few more years to ripen, and it's going to come back on your country as well as others. Virtually guaranteed.

Iraq - this was a decision that shouldn't even have come up. Iraq was not a threat, despite Bush's best efforts to link "Saddam-9/11" in the minds of Americans. He had nothing to do with it. Saddam was also secular, and the religious extremists were as much a threat to him as they are to your country, or more so since Iraq is a Muslim country and these sort of people could expect some support from the local population. There was not much of a chance of selling some of his non-existant WMD to these people, he himself would have been one of the names on their target list.

**I don't think anyone would really even desire to have been in Bush's shoes for the past 4 years. He has faced some extremely tough, unprecedented issues. So, naturally, it would be hard for a majority of our citizens to support him on everything he has encountered.**

9/11...I would suggest that you take the time to read Richard Clarke's book, "Against all Enemies". Despite Clinton informing Bush that Al Qaeda was the US's number one threat, despite Mr. Clarke's unfruitful and urgent attempts for months (from the time he took power until September 5th)at briefing Bush directly on this whole situation, he was ignored. Ignored and demoted in fact. This is the guy who had been working on the Al Qaeda problem for years, KNEW they were planning something and none of the people in the current Administration could drag themselves away from the planning of invading Iraq (oh yes, this was one of the first topics once GW took power) long enough to listen. It is utterly galling to me to see Bush posing as the person who will "protect" you when 9/11 happened on his watch, and that if he had been doing his job, may not have happened.

**...about the little tax returns. I agree with his reasoning behind giving them, but it just wasn't necessary in my opinion. And with hindsight being 20/20 about our current budget deficit, it probably wasn't the best decision.**

You may be seeing this in hindsight, but Bush was warned by both Greenspan and Paul O'Neill (Treasury). He had at his disposal top notch economists who wanted to put in safeguards in case the "surplus" that they were counting on disappeared. He didn't listen to them, and to quote Cheney's reaction to O'Neill's warnings "deficits don't matter". Do you run your household like this? Say to yourself, "Debt doesn't matter, so I will go hogwild with my credit cards?" Of course you don't.

I hear a lot about Bush being "decisive" and Kerry being "wishy-washy". What good is it to have a "decisive" President when the decisions that he makes are not good ones? And who then refuses to review the changing situation and adjust his decisions accordingly? To me that is blind stubbornness and shows a lack of intelligence. While Kerry may not stick hard and fast to a single position, could this not be a sign that he is actually thinking about it and assimulating new information? In my personal opinion, this does not qualify as a character defect, despite Karl Rove's best efforts to make it appear as such.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 7:24 AM CDT

Name: Ms Lauren
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mslauren2930/

oh we so need to take this to email or to our live journals, because try as I might, I really do want to talk to you about your first comments about fears not being irrational and the threat of attack. I think we also need to get a little background on each other so we can see where the other is coming from, because I think that will help with some better understanding on both sides. anyhoo, I've got a staff meeting this morning, which will probably ruin the rest of my day, so if I don't get around to posting anything in my journal, leave a note in the comments of my most recent post, or drop me an email.

I look forward to more debate....

I'll also explain the $.11 thing....which any "Homicide: Life on the Street" fan says, as opposed to the usual $.02.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 8:59 AM CDT

Name: JCanuck

Duckie, I am going to put my 2 cents worth in here.

I think that the problem here is not the level of taxes being paid. It's how they are being spent.

In my personal opinion, any country that has evolved past the stage of the "law of the jungle" should be looking out for the weaker members of their society. By this, I do not mean creating them, these people will always exist.

Yes, there will always be slackers, people who take advantage of the situation. Just as there will be people who cheat at the other end of the spectrum as well. Unfortunately, that seems to be human nature.

As I see it, the two most important points on which taxes should be spent are on education and health care. I look upon these two items as being a wise investment in the future of the country.

Health care, and in particular quality pre and post natal health care should be available to all regardless of the size of their bank accounts. It is no secret that the manner in which a pregnant woman eats and looks after herself has a direct influence on the IQ and future health of the baby that she is carrying. Monthly visits to the same doctor during the pregnancy followed by monthly visits over the first 6 months of life to the same pediatrician/GP should be completely reimbursed or covered by health insurance/care. It is also no secret that breastfeeding significantly raises the IQ and protects the health of a newborn. I would add that a series of physiotherapy/re-education seances for the new mother following childbirth does wonders for her recovery rate and frame of mind.

As for other health care issues, I find it somewhat shocking that people have to choose between eating or buying their medicine. Or that people die from curable illnesses because they can't afford decent health care. What kind of person values the profits of the pharmaceutical companies over the lives of their fellow citizens? I just don't get it, I'm afraid.

Education, another investment in the future of the country. Post secondary education shouldn't be reserved only for those who can pay for it. It shouldn't be a privilege. Teachers should be motivated and rewarded, these are the people to whom we are entrusting our children's minds after all. There should be some national standard, and a unified curriculum that ensures that each and every child in your country is learning the same thing. And for those who learn with more difficulty, there should be in-house remedial tutors who work with these kids to make sure that they aren't left behind. Granted, not everyone is cut out to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, but each child should be given the real opportunity to realize their potential, whatever it may be. You would probably end up with far fewer people who live off of the system if they were given the real possibility of actually getting ahead in life, instead of facing a bleak future as a cashier at Walmart/burger flipper at McDonald's or whatever other menial job they are barely qualified for that pays a minimum wage that they can't afford to live on.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 10:42 AM CDT

Name: NoNeedForThat

The public school thing was a throwaway joke. The fact that you went into a hissy fit over that drops your credibility to about zero in my book. However, just for fun:

Two of my good friends have served in Iraq. I love how people blindly assume that their situation is automatically the worst "tell that to my friend X." I know how hard it is, I know the stress it puts on their families.

The Iraqi may not have wanted democracy, but I bet they enjoy the freedom from oppresion. I don't support a forced democracy, they should be able to pick what the heck they want [they can be Communist as long as the leaders aren't oppresing the Proletariat.]

Maybe I should make my point better: I am willing to sacrifice the lives of 2,000 Americans in a situation where I believe tens of thousands if not more would have died under Saddam's rule, and I believe that even though we are the ones paying the cost in lives, the net benefit is higher as a whole. My point was not meant to be flippant, while you chose to interpret it as so. Reread what I've written again. Our sacrifice of human lives is an awful thing, but it saves more lives than it costs. I believe it is our duty as a human being to protect and save the lives of other humans if we can.

As for the "you should join the army comment": I couldn't get medical clearance if I tried. That, and I would never see the field anyway. My mental skills are much better than my physical ones. I'd be back in an office.

As for the 200 job loss comment: Lets reexamine what he wrote: "In four years, all that's been gained in three states is 200 jobs...I weep for our future if he is re-elected."

I know what he meant, but he wrote his point poorly. It was written in the form of summarizing results, and then focused on only one. I was just trying to help him out. Summarizing the net loss makes his point look better, doesn't it?

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 11:01 AM CDT

Name: Cheryl

The only thing I am certain of is, what the general public is exposed to amounts to actual brainwashing. Regular people don't have the time or access to the level of information it requires to get to the real truth. That's the whole idea of politics. Build a facade, lie. That's their job. So, I really appreciate people who take the time to try to unfold the truth and explain the strategies that are really occurring (like Captainhoof). I don't have the time or level of interest it truly requires to do this in a genuine capacity. I gave up when the whole disgusting Jessica Lynch lie was revealed. When I saw how low the Bush administration would sink to create propoganda, I haven't watched the news since. Why go through it? They're just fucking with our heads. That's all I really am sure of. Bottom line, as always, the almighty dollar. Brainwashed for money... not exactly a new concept, people. As they say: Politics, it's a dirty business, and has been since the beginning of time. I applaud qualified individuals who take the time to educate the general public about politics. It is a genuine public service.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 11:40 AM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

Ohhhh I know plenty about it, I'M A PRODUCT OF THAT SYSTEM! People can speak from personal experience, no? Well, as you can see from my experience that's what I took away from it. If you don't like it, and I REALLY don't mean to start a war, but tough shit!

You might be a stand out teacher. Perhaps you took my comment to mean all teachers. Common sense says not everyone falls into a stereotype, and I did stereotype. LOOK at the test scores. Look at what your union does in the state of California. The exit exam, you only need to get what, 50% correct to pass the test? WTF is that bullshit? We continue to pour money into the school system, and it only gets worse. I hold parents, administrators, teachers and the teachers unions accountable for the failure. I'm sorry, BUT THE BUCK STOPS HERE. If it's not the teachers, then who is it? The big bad right wing? The parents? The students? Rance?

Handouts refer to after you're OUT of school, and you find you're WAY unprepared for REAL LIFE.

"I do more for them then many of their parents do" I see a problem there. Obviously the problem isn't with you. However, with all due respect, can't you hold a student back if they don't get at least C's? If not, why bother with final grades?? I WORK WITH KIDS, I DO TEACH THEM. 8-16, I leave my regular job and spend every Monday night 7 to midnight sometimes with the Cadets teaching them LIFE AND DEATH lessons. I'm a damn good instructor and not one of my cadets have been injured during training or a real mission.

Isn't it sorry I can only pick out 3 teachers in the last 6 years of grade school that were stand out instructors? 3 out of what, 70? It's MY EXPERIENCE, its the same story I hear from a majority of friends when they talk about schools, and a totally QUALIFIED opinion. Maybe if you were a teacher back when I was a little one, I'd have 4 instructors I love from those days. The ones that don't care, that don't hold kids back, that pass them because they play football, that give passing grades since they "tried", they reflect on the entire profession. If you don't like it, try to get rid of them. It's a nearly impossible task.

As far as YOU are concerned, you're one of the few great ones, and you probably keep company with some great ones since people tend to form groups of friends with similar ideals, but everything I said is NOT A RULE, but as a general statement, is factual and supported by the test scores. The great teachers are appreciated. But damnit, the profession IS FAILING THE KIDS, fuck my opinion, look at the end product. It shouldn't take my opinion to piss you off, the scores at the end of the year should tick you off the most.

For the record, you are appreciated and I hope you don't mind still reading my comments and replying anytime. I like talking to people that can step up to the plate.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 11:45 AM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

I completely agree. We pay boys to play golf for a million dollars for FOUR DAYS of play, and pay our teachers $24,000.00 for a years worth of work. It's our value system. It's screwed....

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 11:49 AM CDT

Name: Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Sweet, someone that looks FOR reasons to vote for someone, instead of why not to vote for someone else... that's AWESOME! I can tell you that with Naders positions why he's not my choice, but that's because he actually SAYS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO! I may not want to vote for him, but at LEAST I can say that, "he believes in XYZ, I only agree with Z, so he's not the right fit for me!" Good luck getting Kerry to even tell you the truth about what he uses on his nicely processed hair...

Oh, on the Nader front in case anyone wonders, I don't agree with the policies above:

9, 7, part of 5 and 4, 2, and big time, #1. That's why he doesn't get my vote. BUT AT LEAST THE MAN HAS A PLAN AND WILL STEP UP AND TELL YOU WHAT HE THINKS!!! Nader, good guy, just not for me.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 12:20 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

I think that would be great! Hell, I might even e mail you my tele and when you're free and clear in the evening we can talk about who we are and what we see. Enjoy the *gag* staff meeting!

I look forward more debating, too. I'm a master-debater, and a cunning-linguist *rimtap* And thankfully I don't have any problem with premature exacerbation.

I take away a lot of good shit from that kind of exchange. As long as both sides are respectful and agree to listen in good faith, you usually end up a richer person in the end. I'll browse LJ today too, leave you a comment there or e mail you some contact info. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT! Especially if I'm with my nurse in bed... THAT would be so tragic for me...

Nothing like phonecallis sexis inturruptus syndrome... eek!

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 12:47 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

Here's what tips the scales for me...

We tried not pissing off the world in the 90's. It's during THIS time that the attacks were planned. 9/11 didn't get planned between Jan. and September 2001. It got planned during Bill Clinton's *gag* term. If the Democrat way is SOOOOO GRRREEAATTT, then tell me why we were targeted during the Democrat god's term?

We've tried sitting here, not going after the terrorists. Remember when everyone started saying, "1,000'th death in the war on terror in Iraq!" With all due respect, the first 3,000 deaths in this war died well before we ever set foot in Iraq. US Military Housing bombed overseas, USS Cole, etc, etc, etc. The 3,000th death in the war was on September 11th, 2001. The war was on already, folks, we just weren't fighting. Now, we are. Instead of Cops Vs. Osama, It's 1-2-3-4 UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS UUUUUUUUU RAAAAHHH against the slime of the earth. Marines die, but the Corps lives forever, therefore YOU live forever! Hello to Camp Pendleton, Oceanside, California, UUUUUUU RRAAAHH!

It's our military's job to kill people and break things. We've tried sitting back and letting them come to us to kill us. Lets hold this course for a while and see what happens. Lets let the Warriors be Warriors and defend us. We've tried treating terror as a crime, didn't work, so we're trying a different approach. Lets see where it takes us.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 12:52 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

Michael Moore and Madonna will leave and have a love child in France and name her "Despair". Tim Robbins will be the god father.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 1:28 PM CDT

Name: Amber
Home Page: http://www.xanga.com/gemtaur80

I don't think it's an easy job. In fact it's a very difficult job to actually do well. Perhaps that is why many teachers do not do it well. I do not intend to belittle the work you do by any means, as I believe it is of highest importance and you do seem to genuinely strive to do it well. However, you have to realize that most people's experience is that teachers and more importantly the school system as a whole are not up to par. (how many stellar teachers did you have over the years? how many of your schools were in disrepair, textbooks with outdated information, etc.?) That is not necessarily the fault of teachers or administrators, but more of a government who cuts education to fuel war.
Also, if you can find the time you should do more research on funding for your higher ed. There are programs out there that forgive school loans for teachers, and specific grants aimed at helping teachers further their education.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 1:40 PM CDT

Name: Amber
Home Page: http://www.xanga.com

1. Because most of the items on that list are nothing more than sound bites with no real substance behind them. "He's for reforming the Electoral System so that the person with the most votes wins and so every vote is counted properly." Wow that's impressive and so creative I would have never thought of that!
2. Nader has nearly zero political clout to get any of those things done. Are you old enough to remember when Clinton tried to push health care reform as one of his first acts after taking office? It failed, because he had not yet garnered support from the senate and house. How much support do you think Nader would ever have in those bodies?
3. Nader can promise you the sun and moon, like so many politicians (and men in general) do, but he cannot deliver like so many politicians (and men in general) don't.
4. While you're spouting off Nader's talking points spend a little time to look at the big picture.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 2:09 PM CDT

Name: NativeGirl

I've been busy this week and haven't had a chance to check in with PTI until today. Bravo to Rance and the A.S. for communicating your thoughts on this subject and for both generating and posting comments in response. I have a friend who will be voting for Nader. I have tried in vain to dissuade him, but he is steadfast that a vote for Nader is, in principle, a vote to "reform the system". I think he could have picked a better time to try it, but, it is still a free country - for the time being. Mrs. Cannuck - thanks for your thoughts. I couldn't agree with you more. Rance, now that you've raised the P&V levels of most everyone who reads this blog, it is only right that you make another appearance. I hope that you intend to hire more A.S. in anticipation of the flurry of comments you will receive on November 3rd.

Regards,
NG

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 2:11 PM CDT

Name: Kerry

You sons-a-bitches are so lame...sounds like you have cap'n-hoof-n-mouth disease. Who gives a fat yaks ass what you think!

Kerry

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 2:39 PM CDT

Name: Cheryl

A)Separation of Church and State, if you believe in the Constitution, that is.
B)We were attacked when Bush was in office. How is it we are safer with him?
C)My attorney is extremely ethical. I wouldn't have her if she wasn't. She and her husband are both brilliant, they teach law, and she's an outstanding human being. That's why I believe her. How can you personally attack someone you know absolutely nothing about? That's what doesn't make sense.

Above all, I believe we are all entitled to our opinion, as I hope you would believe that I am entitled to mine. That is the idea, after all. At least, last time I checked, it was. But that apparently is changing too. That's the scary part.


Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 3:34 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Mikeeeeeeee,

I'm sending your name in to President Bush.....I honestly think you'd be a fantastic Press Secretary.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 3:35 PM CDT

Name: Karma Marie

Amen Snubby! I think the party system has become unnecessary. As long as the choices are at best separated into Democrat/Republican, then voters have an excuse to be lazy and not bother to research where the particular candidtates stand and just vote for their 'party'. As you stated about having varied beliefs, I too haven't found the candidate that shares my similar views that seem to cross the stereotypical liberal/conservative lanes.

So my question is this; are the candidates being completely honest about their beliefs or are they perhaps confining themselves to the belief structure of their party? I never really understood the need to label an ideal so generically. Perhaps if we weren't able to say "I'm a democrat." or "I'm a republican" then we would be forced to have in depth conversations about our views and ideas. What a concept, huh? Until that day, I hold firm to my choice of not discussing party affiliations whatsoever, considering no matter which party patron I talk to, they either go from angry defense to agreeing to me or vice versa. ;) I will say, regardless of which party you're for, whatever it takes to get people out to vote is a good thing.

Keep up the good work.
K

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 3:50 PM CDT

Name: Karma Marie

You know what I would like? I wish Bill Gates could create a computer program that would simulate all the aspects of the presidency. Each of the candidates could use it for thirty days just to give us an idea of what they would do in the various simulated yet probable situations, why and what the outcome would be.

I think it would be really cool and informative, but sadly, I'm sure that process would become corrupted as well. *sigh*

K

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 6:27 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

I don't know if the A.S. is still taking comments on this blog entry, but I just had to say Canuck, you're brilliant. In my opinion, possibly the most intelligent person on here, and that's saying a lot because there are many many very intelligent people on here.

Your comments about people health care and prescription drugs really struck a cord. I'm in Montana (just like Montannie!), and it's pretty frequent here for busloads of elderly people to go buy their prescription drugs in Canada because it's the only way they can afford it). Prescriptions are so much cheaper north of the border, because our pharmaceutical companies inflate their prices to increase their profits-well, they've priced their products out of the reach of many people! These senior citizens, who can barely make it to the grocery store, spend hours on a bus so they can afford their pills.

Let me also tell the tale of my friend Ramona. She was a wonderful woman, in her early 60's, when she started having severe stomach pains. Ramona worked as a hotel housekeeper (if you want to talk about a profession that deals with the worst of humanity, that's it) and didn't make much money, but it was work she loved-she could have done something else but chose not to. One day, Ramona started having severe stomach pains. However, since she couldn't afford insurance, she wouldn't go to the doctor-she didn't know how she'd pay her medical bills. Finally, Ramona couldn't stand up anymore one day because the pain was so intense-her son drove in from another state to make her go to the doctor. The diagnosis: stomach cancer. She died within a month. Had she had insurance and been able to go to a doctor sooner, there was the possibility that she could have received treatment that could have cured her, maybe let her live a little longer, or at least let her live her final days in less pain. Sadly, with our system of health care as it is, Ramona, and many others like her have stories like this. A system of national health care is a must, if we value life at all. Yet our "compassionate conservative" president doesn't value life enough to support a health care system that could have saved Ramona.

Now, on to your comments about education. You get it, you get it! (I'm just so excited when I find somebody who understands.) We need a national curriculum! Currently, I'm held accountable to my school district's curriculum. If I don't teach it, I can be fired. I'm also held accountable to my state's curriculum, which is different. If, on state tests, my students can't answer questions over material the state thinks they should know, I could be fired. If, on national tests like Iowa Basics, my students don't know the material the federal government says they should know, I can be fired. I'm teaching to three curriculums, all different, every day. Students transfer in from other school districts and are way ahead in one class and way behind in another, because we have different curriculums. We need a national curriculum, end of story. There's no reason to not have one.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 6:42 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

Mikeeeeee, two things.

One, your comment "9/11 didn't get planned between Jan. and September 2001. It got planned during Bill Clinton's *gag* term." And the previous attack on the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993 wasn't planned during the first month of Clinton's term. Ramzi Yousef began planning in 1991, during George Bush's *gag* term. If you're going to hold Clinton responsible for the second attack (which I personally disagree with-Richard Clarke was aware of Al Qaeda and following their movements, it's GWBush that chose to ignore them), then you have to hold the first Bush responsible for the first attack. Apparently the Republican way isn't "SOOOOO GRRREEAATTT" either.

Second, your other comment, "the first 3,000 deaths in this war died well before we ever set foot in Iraq". The first 3,000 deaths were not caused by Saddam Hussein or the Iraqis. All but four of the hijackers were Saudi. None were Iraqi. We cannot use the September 11 attacks as an excuse to invade Iraq, because they're not responsible. It's a fallacy to argue that they were.

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 7:07 PM CDT

Name: Sir Nard Manhawk
Home Page: http://searian.blogspot.com

I have refrained from giving in to the urge of commenting on this since it was posted. Let's just say, I'm not one to throw "piss and vinegar" about without thought.

Upon much consideration as to comment once calming down or not, I have decided *to* make the argument here, buried under a hundred other opinions.

I am an independant. That doesn't mean I necessarly am a "masturnader" or whatever. But I am someone who understands what he is doing. Nader, and the other third party candidates, don't get nearly any of the coverage the Republicans and Democrats do, which hinders both their ability to get alternative messages out, and hinders Democracy by limiting choice.

I have not posted commentary as much as Rubber Duckie or any of the "crowd" here. But I do care about what people here think. So I ask you one favor.

I ask you kick the soapbox this way and let me step up and try to explain why the people who vote for Nader do what they do. I'll try my best to explain what the deal is with his "futile" candidacy. I won't abuse it by just trying to refute what you say. Rather I want to get the democratic message out, and conclude by proposing alternatives.

Will you give me the shot, or are alternate opinions just so much rabble?

For now, I'm off to go watch the presidential deb.. well, bipartisan press release. ;)

(AS, drop me an e-mail if you're down with it.)

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 10:46 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld

The 'bush' T-shirt already exists, and has since the war on Iraq. It would be a funny little addition with the Masturnader addition.
fly

Thursday, 30 September 2004 - 10:49 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

I, personally, would love to hear what you have to say.

This is my humble opinion only, but the words that jumped out most to me this evening were....

"preeminency = global test"

Excuse me? I personally don't want my President looking to the Globe for approval. I'm personally sick of trying to placate the entire universe.

As someone once said...you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. It's unrealistic to expect it and I don't want my country's decisions based upon meeting such expectations.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 11:17 AM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

A)The Constitution and seperation of Church and State has nothing to do with the comment you're replying to.

B) The attacks were planned during the Clinton era. I thought he was the great white hype... uh, hope I mean.

C)Most layers are ethical. However Edwards is a fleecer that saw a cash cow, review his trial record.

No one's changing the right to opinions, less drama, and more facts please!! You don't want the spin, cool, but then you can't be over the top yourself! "Ohhhh, my right to speak is being stripped!" is kinda how it sounds. You can do more today to get your opinion out then you could yesterday, you know that! =)

I hope you guys keep debating, it's a decent exchange.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 11:55 AM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

I'm an EMT, and Search and Rescue volunteer for the Air Force Aux. (CAP), saving lives is my passion. That's why I'm stepping up to firefighter shortly as well...

Getting drugs from cheaper sources, means getting government OUT of the Prescription business, not getting them more involved. And for gods sake, kill that prescription drugs bill for now until it has some checks and balances!

Romona, it's a sad story. But I have to speak honestly here and given the fact we're on a new level after our e mails yesterday, I think I can say this without you taking it the wrong way. You said she made a choice to work where she worked. She could've done something else, but was happy where she was. She risked her life by not looking for a job that offered cheaper insurance. She lost the bet. IT SUCKS, I KNOW, AND IT HURTS YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT, but she made a choice as a free American. A national health care system will kill so many people... I'm going to listen to you and defer to your opinion on schools. Being a health care worker, I hope you give this some weight...

Nationalized health care is a fatal idea. Not just a bad idea. It will kill. Look at the UK, that's nationalized healthcare. You wait months to see a doctor. Doctors have no incentive to spend any time with a patient. When you socialize something, you kill a lot of the R&D, motivation, and interest in improving things. You also blow away competition. That competing is how the costs are as low as they are now, and the service level is as incredible as it is now. We're SPOILED! Try to get this level of everyday care in... Mexico, or IRAQ! Our health care system is the best in the world, hands down. We can improve it of course, but we're #1 right now, and will continue to be.

Many of the millions that aren't insured make that choice themselves. Most are younger, and want the cash instead of the coverage. I cannot tell you the number of times I've heard, "God I wish I had bought the coverage". Of course I have to ask at that point, "Why didn't you?". The answer almost EVERY TIME, is "I didn't think anything bad would happen" If you take out the numbers of people that choose to not be covered, you'll be narrowed down to 5 million uninsured that aren't already qualified for government coverage... Not 40,000,000 like some groups like to shout out. The government estimates 25,000,000 decline coverage to save money (BUT THEY COULD PAY IT IF IT WAS A PRIORITY). 10,000,000 are qualified for various government, state and federal programs, but choose not to or don't know it exists. THOSE PEOPLE, we can do something about by getting the word out that the programs are out there!

The other 5,000,000, are in that damn gap that exists. Too much money for federal/state aid, too many bills to afford health care. Those 5,000,000 need help. But I'm telling you, and PLEASE believe me, forcing every American man woman and child into 1 coverage plan will kill people. So many people are saved right now because they CAN go get checked out within a week or 2. You push that period to 2-3 months away like in the UK, and you'll kill many more people just as nice as Romona.

On the education issue, sounds good! 1 standard, teach to this level, period. I'm all about that!

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 1:22 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee
Home Page: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mikeeeee

Ahhh haaaa, you've walked into it, I was hoping someone would... Now, there's no way anyone that supports the democratic agenda can get out of this one without stepping in a pile of doo doo... here it is...

These terrorists, they are a threat because of our leader, the evil George W. Bush. That's the stance of the left, we're making it worse and a change in leadership will make all our problems go away. If that was true, the first attack would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. That, my wonderful teacher friend, IS the trap.

Democratic leadership doesn't protect us from the enemy, period.

It did make September 11th an easier mission to complete however thanks to the cuts in intel and defense, and seperation of FBI and CIA information. They were banned from sharing info. It made us more unsafe. Attacks that came were met with... speeches. Now Kerry wants a summit. Great. Lets get 4,000 of our people killed, and many more thousands of the Enemy killed, and have a friggin meeting. Nice plan, John. 1,000 have died to save 10,000 at least. Iraqi's and Americans alike. The first warriors to fight this war on our side, died on September 11th attempting to re-take a hijacked airliner headed for Washington DC.

Somehow, Iraq wasn't connected to terrorism is the point your're attempting to make. Yet every country surrounding Iraq has ties in some form or another... Funny how terrorism seemed to skip over that country, isn't it?? I mean, even the 9/11 report says there were meetings with AQ and senior Iraqi Intel officials. But of course, Iraq had no terrorists. And that airplane hull outside Baghdad, really wasn't used to simulate hijacking. It was... just a big coca-cola can.

Richard Clarke wasn't aware of anything. Notice how the left has abandoned him? It's because of his overstatement of his importance being exposed that got him trashed by both parties, just as he should've been. He said what he said to make money, writing a book. Period. He was demoted because he was ineffective and that's why he's rarely mentioned anymore. Michael Moore loves him though. That's because Moore makes misquoting people or picking sources that are full of BS more of an art form then Dan Rather. Didn't Clarke or Franks come out and say, "NO, Bush didn't do that, I AUTHORIZED THAT, Moore misquoted me." When you have it on tape, it's not a misquote, it's a lie.

Back on topic now... Are you suggesting we attack Saudi Arabia? I mean, Osama is Saudi. Saudi Arabia isn't threatening all the surrounding countries. Saudi Arabia didn't boot inspectors. Saudi Arabia didn't ignore 17 resolutions. Saudi Arabia didn?t invade Iran. Saudi Arabia didn't gas it's own people, killing men, women, and children. WOMEN AND FUCKING CHILDREN, WITH NERVE GAS, DO YOU GET THAT?! Saudi Arabia didn't murder 500,000 people over the last decade according to the UN (which is actually good at keeping a body count). Saudi Arabia didn't invade Kuwait. Saudi Arabia didn?t launch missiles into Israel. Saudi Arabia didn't have it's Olympic teams beaten up or killed if they didn't win an event. Saudi Arabia doesn't have rape rooms. Saudi Arabia didn't have Saddam as it's dictator.

Iraq was a breeding ground for terrorists fleeing Afghanistan and the intel said they were arming for WMD attacks. If it was bad intel, it was bad intel. Last night's debate, even John Kerry said he needed to be replaced ASAP. Kerry's way wasn't chosen. If you don't like the way it's been done, I can understand that and it's your opinion. BUT, to say it shouldn't have happened is to go against your own man's statements of intent. Just weeks ago he said he would've gone in even KNOWING what we know now. He changed his views again when that wasn't well received by his far left base.

September 11th was the last straw. We couldn't sit around and let countries like Iraq and Afghanistan continue to be the hiding places preferred by those that would kill you just for being American. Terrorism is a festering wound, The U.S. Armed forces including the Commander and Chief (who I'm proud to take orders from) are the Antibiotic. It's only a fallacy to someone that hasn't paid enough attention to Iraq for the past 14 years. The only reason the UN didn't go into Iraq with force... Oil for Food. We killed their gift horse.

That's reality and why we needed to do what Clinton was too ball-less to do. He left it for the next guy to clean up, like a stain on the oval office floor.

Those are my reasons to support the actions taken by our President. FDR would've gone after these people, JFK would've done the same thing I believe. But Carter... he'd just eat more peanuts. Clinton, he had his chance, he blew up an Advil factory. woooo hooooo!

Anyway, that's why I believe what I believe.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 1:45 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

With much love,

I don't support the public school system as being the best choice for most, but it is the only choice for many.

I can argue this point back and forth until we are all blue in the face and bald; surrounded by clumps of each other's hair.

In the mean time, to answer this claim (in no particular defense to the public school system) the "system" has not failed anyone. The parents of this child have failed him.

In summation of hundreds of my arguments, public school is intended for the round pegs of society. There are millions of round pags in our society that NEED the opportunities that public schools intend to provide them. However, if you are the parent of a square peg; it is YOUR responsibility alone to ensure that the needs of your children are being met.

It is the square pegs of society that drain our public school systems of their resources.

When a teacher has a class of 30+ students, it is impossible for her to individually assess; diagnose; and effectively treat and nurture the unique situations of each student. However, think of the most qualified person to deal with the needs of a child? The parent that brought said child into the world and has raised him/her for all years up until the meeting of said teacher. Huh, what a concept?!

I say this in regard to all that are "different." Whether the child is intellectually gifted; mentally incapacitated; physically diminished; behaviorally challenged; autistic; or just doesn't "play well with others", it is his PARENTS responsibility to effectively deal with whatever challenges as they arise.

Public school is NOT the only alternative for the education of a child. You have private schooling, charter schooling, homeschooling, and correspondence courses; just to name a small few.

My own mother thinks that the "system" failed me. I was set to graduate at the top of my class with a 98.75 overall average. I was prepared for scholarships at GW University. Due to some very interesting circumstances, guess what? I'm a drop out. Woo hoo.

Do I recall my mother seeking any other alternatives? Oh no, she was but a poor, hard-working, single mom. There weren't any alternatives available to the children of those poor, hard-working single folks. Bull shit.

I love my mother, but it was my responsibility to go above and beyond that by passing my GED. As I am now but a lowly "mom" myself, I don't guess it matters either way that I was officially the "smartest high school dropout," but it does provide me a unique perspective on "things."

My children certainly aren't perfect. But, no "system" will ever fail them. I won't allow it. And I may not do things perfectly as a parent, but I will never fail them.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 2:07 PM CDT

Name: JOHN EISENHOWER

Why I will vote for John Kerry for President

By JOHN EISENHOWER

(newwire)
THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3? years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.

Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we ?always have.? We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.

As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration?s decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.

The fact is that today?s ?Republican? Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word ?Republican? has always been synonymous with the word ?responsibility,? which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today?s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.

Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.

In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.

Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy. Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, ?If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both.? I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.

The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so. The Eisenhower administration accomplished that difficult task three times during its eight years in office. It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation?s financial structure sound.

The Republicans used to be deeply concerned for the middle class and small business. Today?s Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor.

Sen. Kerry, in whom I am willing to place my trust, has demonstrated that he is courageous, sober, competent, and concerned with fighting the dangers associated with the widening socio-economic gap in this country. I will vote for him enthusiastically.

I celebrate, along with other Americans, the diversity of opinion in this country. But let it be based on careful thought. I urge everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, to avoid voting for a ticket merely because it carries the label of the party of one?s parents or of our own ingrained habits.



John Eisenhower, son of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, served on the White House staff between October 1958 and the end of the Eisenhower administration. From 1961 to 1964 he assisted his father in writing ?The White House Years,? his Presidential memoirs. He served as American ambassador to Belgium between 1969 and 1971. He is the author of nine books, largely on military subjects.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 2:32 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

(Arguments are always made in general terms and never in a specific attack of posts or character; even if they address specific quotes or instances as found in previous posts)

Yes, it is sad to see a family that has a father currently "in action."

But, when those two folks got married, they knew that their life would revolve around his military career. Or, if he joined the military since the marriage, again, they would have made that decision knowing their lives would be affected in some form, shape, or fashion by choosing a life dedicated to civil service. And, again, those two brought a child into the world knowing the same circumstances about his career.

(Remember, military people AGREE to becoming property of the United States government. And they do so knowing things about states of affairs that we as layman will never understand. And if they do so otherwise, they have no room to complain because they didn't take the time to understand what they were choosing to do with their lives.)

You may think it stinks for the child to be without a father, and to an extent it does; however, consider that here is a child that may be raised to fight for causes she believes in because she had a father that willingly did the same.

Maybe some day SHE will be the leader to champion our country into the brightest of futures.

Point B: I don't think any of us here have actually laid eyes upon any particular budget plans for our country. Sure, we are taking steps backwards in the smaller scheme of things, but health care and education have been "areas of opportunity" for this country long before GW decided to "wipe his Daddy's backside."

On the same note, why should the federal government send tens of billions of dollars to the hurricane-ravaged areas of our own country? Don't those people have insurance? Didn't they willingly choose to reside in Florida knowing that the possibility for hurricanes was increased xfold? Why should we help Johnny Joe rebuild his bagel stand in Boynton Beach when there are sixth-graders in Durham, North Carolina that can't read?

This is the nature of humanity; good or bad. Most people will work together as a collective unit to preserve humanity to the greatest degree. When you have billions and billions of people residing together on one planet, you are bound to sacrifice a few along the way in order to preserve the larger majority.

Sure, we do a lot of things for oil... But, wouldn't the preservation, protection, and procurement of our natural resources be in line with preserving the good of the larger majority?

And now, Johnny, on to jobs. The last time I checked, a majority of employment lay within the realm of the PRIVATE sector. I owned my own business for a few years. I only did 6 figures, but hey it wasn't too shabby for lil' ol' uneducated me. When 9/11 hit, my business boomed. I almost felt guilty that I was bathing in the Benjamins when so many others were devastated.

Two years later, though, I went bust. Why? Was it because we went to war and evil prevailed? No, it was because the anchor I was located next to in my strip mall built a NEW location, 3 times BIGGER than its old one. Did the old one close? No! It is still there, but people went to the new location to buy MORE things that the old location didn't have! They went to spend MORE money!! Did the economy collapse? Okay, so maybe mine did, but I could have moved and championed if I would have chosen to, but my own priorities changed, and that was that.

Is it George Bush's fault? Uh, no. Is it Sam Walton's fault? Uh, nope, again. Was it Snubby's fault? Yeppers. So, when you want to discuss net job gain or loss, please do provide specific examples of how it is the fault of our president that certain companies lay off or close.

I have very strong opinions on why "the economy sucks." None of them have anything to do with the government. But, I'm kinda hungry, so that's a debate for a different day. And hopefully on a blog day that isn't already past its prime.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 2:47 PM CDT

Name: Snubby

Avg teacher salary is generally in the $40k range.

In Florida, most teachers I knew were making upper 50's. The teachers I knew in Georgia (fresh out of the four-year)were starting at 36k.

In my job farming, there are a LOT of people out there with the same or higher levels of education that do not make anywhere near that amount.

I certainly think teachers should be able to make more, but only as incentive-based compensation.

I don't superficially support sports players making that much money, but athleticism is a huge contributing factor in our economy, and without it we would lose even more jobs. So, in that greater scheme, I support ANYTHING legitimate that allows people to earn secure livings WITHOUT fucking up what little economic stability we can muster. ie... I don't support the raising of minimum wage. Ah, another debate I would love to have...

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 5:50 PM CDT

Name: superfreak

One minor point of contention: teacher salaries. I'm a first year teacher in Montana, and I have the whopping salary of $23,000-gross. Of course, my cost of living is lower than in Florida, but it's still poverty-level. I could have made more than that at my previous job of hotel desk clerk, if I had been doing it full-time. That's a job you can do without a high-school degree, and earn the same income! Instead, in exchange for trying to make a difference in the lives of children, I'll net less than $19,000 for a job that I put in fifty hours a week at school and usually another 10 or so at home. Sure, you think I have summers free, but most teachers either take a job at their local Wal-Mart in the summer to supplement that piddly income, or are working for the school on textbook committees, curriculum committees, or something like that. During that time, I'm also preparing for next year-setting up a classroom, reviewing and rewriting lessons, creating tests, etc. I don't get paid for that-it's on my time.

That said, I can't complain about what I'm getting paid. I didn't go into teaching for the money, and I certainly knew what the pay scale was when I took this job. I have a severe problem with people who get into a job that they know is low-paying and then proceed to bitch and moan. I think my job is worth more, much more, but I have no right to complain. If money was what's most important to me, I'd do something else.

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 6:14 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

You need to come to Arkansas then. Teachers are paid peanuts...$24,000.00 is starting, if that. Athleticism is a huge contributing factor to our economy? True, but wrongly so. I would much rather see our youth graduating high school and going on for a higher education as a contributing factor in our economy.

Who do you suppose the minimum wage is for? Nobody can live off of it, that's for sure. My husband has three employees and we pay them all twice the minimum wage limit plus incentive pay.

When it comes to teaching or just employees in general, you get what you pay for...

Friday, 1 October 2004 - 10:56 PM CDT

Name: flyrchld
Home Page: http://www.flyrchld@mindsay.com

Before calling someone Un-American because they have an opinion different from yours remember that the greatest gifts we got from our forefathers are the ability to express ourselves and change what was wrong... that includes our representatives when they no longer represent us, but their own self interests.

There is a difference between supporting the war and supporting the Warriors. I have family, friends and co-workers in the military. Yes they knew they were signing their lives to the United States of America, but that doesn't mean that their trust should be so brutally broken. They know that with their job the possibility of dying is real, but that never made them expendable, like so much filler... and it never should have.

I know that for many my words mean nothing, but for the few that read them and get something out of them, thank you.

I love my country. I am NOT un-American!!! My voice is quiet, but I WILL BE HEARD on November 2nd.

take a look at this:
http://www.sharedvoice.org/unamerican/

Thank you Mr. Captain Hoof, Thank you Mr. Rance, and Thank you A.S. for playing such a big part in the elections, and the attempt to make our President in 2005 someone to be proud of.

Vote!! Not just for a candidate, but for yourself and your country.

Kerry/Edwards2004

fly

Saturday, 2 October 2004 - 3:16 PM CDT

Name: Mojo

Vote the Leaf, throw away your vote. And shut the fuck up.

Monday, 4 October 2004 - 8:33 AM CDT

Name: MoJo

Noneedforthat-
Intellectual Republican? You are joking right? During this administration? You might want to look up "Oxymoron", sit back and wait for that dull little light bulb in your head to illuminate.

Monday, 4 October 2004 - 9:54 AM CDT

Name: Mojo

Stony girl-
Nader cannot win. It is very simple. There are many candidates that I prefer their policies to who has been nominated, but sadly you are only given the choice of the lesser of two evils. So, since we all know that the second in command most likely has 666 tattooed somewhere on his person, make your vote count.

Monday, 4 October 2004 - 12:00 PM CDT

Name: Mikeeeee

The world has changed since 1991. We still have the support of 30 nations in this. Caring who write that would be like letting Rance swoon me because of possible stardom.

If Mr. Eisenhower is more worried with socio-economic issues then the defense of the nation, I'm glad there's no attempt to follow in his fathers footsteps. We're obviously not putting any other values above our liberty and principals, so his entire statement is, well, full of double talk. It sounds like an old man tired of war and that's ok. But we need someone that CAN lead when living in an age where one bomb can wipe out 1/2 of New York, if it were to make it's way ashore here.

He's someone that I would, by the above statement, believe is unqualified to lead today. So is the person he'd vote for, and that's ok, too.

Monday, 4 October 2004 - 4:06 PM CDT

Name: Rubber Duckie

Well said snubby....but it is the majority of drop outs, at least the ones I know, whose parents are more than likely the reason they're not round pegs to begin with.

There has to be some way for the system to step in and see that these neglected children get the education they need. Private school, etc. is not available to these children, usually because they are living at the poverty level or their parents couldn't give a mouse's behind as to whether they even show up for school or not. They merely use it as "free day care" until the child is old enough to stay home on their own and then their attendance becomes sporadic.

IMO, the system should see that these parents are punished in some form and that the child gets the proper educational assistance that they require. We know the parents aren't going to do it. IMO it is a form of child abuse. No child should fall behind for any reason , especially for lack of an involved parent...

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