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Rance wuz here...
Wednesday, 17 March 2004
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Whores, Christ and Love
To those of you clamoring for the what's been dubbed "Brothel Story," I'm afraid the brothel part is anti-climactic as it gets. Incidentally, are those of you who wouldn't have gone swimming with Marlene Dietrich and Cary Grant at all surprised that your fellow readers found that aspect of the story more compelling than "Christ"?

Here's the story anyway (Those of you who wouldn't have gone swimming with Marlene Dietrich and Cary Grant will probably want to click over to Olsen sisters' blog now):

Late one night several years ago, circumstances landed me in a dull Manhattan bar with five 30 and 40-something Wall Streeters, exemplars of Fairfield County Republican upstanding-ness all, happily-married-with-Volvo-station-wagons and that sort of thing. I only knew one of them, and barely. All have surely forgotten that I was there (I was hardly "celebrated" back then"). In a couple cases (we'd singlehandedly boosted Cuervo's share price that night), they'd likely forgotten me by the time they struggled to get out of bed the following day.

"Wanna have a little fun?" said one, Chip (names and stuff like that have been changed to protect myself), asked the rest of us. I figured the question was rhetorical. But the others, with a much clearer idea of what "fun" was, offered replies to the effect of "Hell yes."

Even though he had a cell, Chip went to a pay phone, dropped in a quarter, dialed, then started speaking in code, CIA-like. After he hung up, he sauntered back to us and said, proudly, something like, "The eagle lands at one."

Next, we were at ATMs, withdrawing the max. We had a one a.m. reservation at a "club" with a $500 cover charge. As you either know or have guessed, "club," once the cover tops $30, is a euphemism for brothel, which in turn is a euphemism for "whore house."

"Now, why, Rance," you may be asking, "would you go to a whore house, let alone one that charges $500 to get in?" Simple answer: Curiosity. I'd never been to any brothel. Never paid for sex in any fashion, unless you count drinks. And I had no interest in doing so. But I'd never had any idea there were places like this "club"--it was secreted in a townhouse in a quiet, exclusive part of the city. And, having recently come into some money, the chance to experience it seemed worth the price of admission to me.

At the appointed hour, cabs deposited us at a four-story brownstone on an East-Sixties block where the fixer-uppers run $6 or $7 million. At the door, Chip handed $3000 to a guy who could've eaten Andre the Giant whole. Permitted entry, we climbed a flight of stairs to the living room, which took up the building's entire second floor. Having hardly any taste, I can't say with certainty that it was well-appointed. But I'd guess so. Lots of dark-wooded Colonial antiques, that sort of thing. And, of note, plush armchairs and sofas, and in them, in cocktail dresses, six of the most stunning women I'd ever seen.

Our $500 entitled each of us customers each a drink--I had a can of beer--and a "massage." The other five boys, knowing the drill, quickly chose "masseuses" and bounded upstairs with them. The woman no one else chose would rank to this day as one of the three or four most beautiful dates I've ever had. Call her Janet.

Janet took me to a fourth-floor bedroom which consisted of, principally, a massage table and a canopy bed suited to Buckingham Palace. "The massage comes with your cover charge," she said, "excluding tip." She then rattled off a list of alternatives which ranged from a "squeak job" (because you're wearing a rubber) for $500 to the $1000 "Gold Package." Again, those prices excluded tip. In spite of Janet's appeal, I, apologetically (leave it at philosophical differences for now) opted for just the massage. To my surprise, she stripped to nothing (in less time than it takes to snap your finger) to administer it. Businesslike, she instructed me to "follow suit, or, ha ha, birthday suit, and get on the massage table."

Her massaging offered evidence that very few customers ever chose massaging. As she repeatedly rubbed my shoulder blade for no apparent reason, she tried to make conversation, like a barber would. Stuff like "So what do you do?"

And that was as far as it went. Can't get anymore anti-climactic, right?

There's one detail that merits mention, though. I responded, with vague details, that I was in entertainment. Turned out she aspired to do the same--legitimate entertainment, I mean. The prostitution gig (from which, she claimed, she often took home $5000 a week) subsidized her efforts to become a full-time actor.

By the end of the allotted half-hour (announced by a gentle knock on the door), our interesting conversation had ranged from audition preparation to Stanislavski. She was, I thought, very bright. And I'm glad to say, she's gone on to achieve some success in her preferred field. I don't remember her name (She gave me her business card, crossed out "Janet" and the phone number on it, then wrote in her real name and home number--she claimed that's what they were anyhow. In any case, I didn't keep the card). So I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure she's in "The Passion of the Christ." And no, not as Mary Magdalene.

I realize this is not a huge whoop of a revelation. I'll be satisfied, though, if just one of the sanctimonious folks who've been saying the likes of "Mel Gibson and his company are saints" reads this and spills coffee on his lap.

Now before you go winging off "Rance, you massage-only-notwithstanding, whoremongering lowlife" comments, let me try and put this in some perspective. What's the most common entry in any yellow pages. Car dealerships? Restaurants? Not even close. The answer: escort services. And I read that in Victorian England, of all places, brothels were equally popular. Here's one more piece of evidence for the defense: An actor I know and two of his male colleagues were recently taken by private jet from LA to Vegas. A producer, wooing them for a project, picked them up at the airport, drove them (by Hummer, of course) to a hotel, and took them up to a suite the size of a golf course where twelve rented bombshells in negligees sat at attention. The producer proudly listed some of the men's magazines this "roster of vixens" had graced and said to the men from LA, "You each take any three you want into the next rooms, and me and my boys'll take the leftovers." One of the actor's friends wasn't into women. The other friend now rates this among the best days of his life or anyone else's. The actor decided to play the slots (don't get fresh; I mean, he went downstairs to the casino and killed the time gambling) until the meeting they'd come for.

Having been cursed like the cat with curiosity, I now have racked up plenty more, far seamier, stories of illicit sex and exploitation. It should be noted that most are probably tame (save the mutual-defecation bondage one) compared to what you can find in five minutes with Google. The point is, that sort of shit happens in our world, exponentially more often than most people know or would like to believe, particularly those people reading the Olsens' blog. Am I trying to make an argument that that sort of shit is in any way okay, should be less repressed, or let out into the daylight based on de facto popular vote? No, that's not it at all. Like any ranter, I just want to expose the truth. And like any poor bastard, I want to acquit myself as much as possible. Because someday, perhaps, a woman I love may read this, and she won't be into that sort of shit.

Later,

R

Posted by captainhoof at 12:03 PM CST
Updated: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 12:17 PM CST
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Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 12:43 PM CST

Name: Lezlee

Rance,

I'm stunned. Not because of the story...nothing tends to suprise me that way...because of the area I work in I hear all kinds of things that would blow a lot of people's minds and I have to constantly check myself from seeing the world through semi-jaded glasses. But right now I'm all teary. Maybe I'm just hormonal today but that made me cry. It seems so incredibly honest and decent of you. I know that's not what you were trying to say but....well, that's how it made me feel. You're going to make women fall in love with you just from that post.

I'm not even sure if I'm making any sense.

Lezlee

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 12:47 PM CST

Name: Shorty
Home Page: http://www.vinsations.net

Rance,

For the first time in this blog I'm just stunned. I can't believe what I'm reading. Do u know how much u share of ur private life with us? I mean, I really appreciate ur letting us know about the rich and famous in L. But I never expected u to tell us this much about ur own personal life. This is a hell of a lot u know......Wow Rance, does this mean ur getting comfortable with us?
I don't see anything wrong with this whole whore house story, so I have no opinion about that. I think the point u were getting at is that the girl that gave u the massage, actually made it from escort girl to actress, right?

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 1:19 PM CST

Name: tricia

hey, but what if she is?

very, very funny rance and i have to say i hope the coffee gets spilled as well......'play the slots'...
this, sweet pea, is what you're so good at....a very funny and informative rant!

i have no doubt there are lots o' places like this...are people really that naive to think there are not? or does being an olsen fan block certain brain functions?

and again...if there are such spots and we've discovered a new planet...why can't we do something about trump's hair?
so again about good taste.......doesn't anyone know what it is anymore?

i know i've got it.

i come here and read rance.

tricia


Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 1:31 PM CST

Name: Jay
Home Page: http://www.sciencemag.org

Another lunch break peek rewarded. My avocational writing friends know I'm insane, but my labmates are increasingly curious as to why I keep getting on the internet then promptly erasing my session history.

I'm not sure what to make of this latest post. You seem vaguely apologetic, although I don't know why you feel guilt. Have you been affected more deeply by the judgement of the posters than the "hell fucking yeah"'s? Character is determined more by motive than behavior. Children in a candy store will typically always overeat if allowed. Is it greed or unbridled joy? It's hard to know, but the heart usually becomes clearer as the children mature. We are all in the process of maturing (hopefully). However, maturity does not attempt to impugn the character of others. I will hope that this is not your motive herewith. If your revelation is meant, however subconciously, to diffuse your own culpability, that is unfortunate.

OB-STI-NANCE. I've given up on the email-from-Rance dream, where I respond with personal revelation, a picture, and my cell phone number. Aren't you even a little bit curious to know more about some of your posters? Wait...perhaps not. ;)

P.S. To the would-be Rance impersonator emailing me and asking for nudie pics...NOT ON YOUR LIFE, BUDDY.

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 2:16 PM CST

Name: Bard S

Maybe many of us are "cursed" with curiosity, but exploring the bounds of our sexuality is just part of being human for (many? some?) of us. Among freely-consenting adults (for pay or not), I have no issue with exploring and experimenting with sexuality. I do not see that as "exploitation."

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 2:30 PM CST

Name: babygirlcrow
Home Page: http://livejournal.com/users/babygirlcrow

Rance,

I didn't see anything mortally wrong with anything you did, Whore house or not. I think you know were I stand on this. In the event that you find that one great love. I hope she has a open mind and a understanding heart cause if she doesn't then maybe she doesn't deserve you.

OMG Rance, you took my breath away on this one, I was totally amazed that you opened up. Thanks!!!!!



Much Love,
Babygirlcrow

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 2:43 PM CST

Name: compassion
Home Page: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=compassion

You've brought a smile on an otherwise dreary day. I'm actually looking forward to reading the criticisms you get for this. I just hope they come when I'm in a bad mood. Infinite Blessings

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 3:01 PM CST

Name: jamenta
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/jamenta/

Wow. That was your best BLOG entry yet. Mesmerizing, honest and even introspective at the end. More BLOG entries like this one, and you might end up with an underground cult following.

Since you have been perfectly honest - I will be too. Back in my days with more money, I experimented too with an escort service (also in NYC). The funny part is, I was so nervous and the situation so odd (maybe even irrational) - that I didn't enjoy it so much. The "escort" was very nice to me however, even as she took my money. We mostly talked (which I have learned since is not unusual for many "Johns").

In retrospect, and afterwards - my feelings on the experience have been negative. I wondered if this woman would do what she was doing if there was another way for her to legitimately make a decent amount of money? And given the number of young women on the street - selling their bodies (for even less than a high priced escort in NYC) - it is to me more and more sad as I grow older to see what to me - is just another form of suffering and misery in the world - in which I helped support in my own little world at the time.

Yeah - there is the counter argument that no one forces these women to do what they do. True. That it is between two consenting adults. Yah. But still - it just seems sad to me that 1) There are so many men out there willing to pay lots of money for sex - including myself at one time 2) There are so many women out there willing to sell their bodies and have a strange man literally fuck them for money. And I think many of these strangers a woman would prefer not to have them on them if they had another choice.

That is - it seems more natural for sex to occur between two people who are attracted to each other. Not two people where one is just doing it for the money. That's dysfunctional, and at times - even misery causing - both physically and psychologically.

The only consolation I have now is I'm not what I was a number of years ago. And it is not something I want to do again. Besides, having that kind of sexual relationship can get expensive quick - and is just kind of McDonald's sex compared to one in a real "free" relationship.




Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 4:12 PM CST

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog/

Jay, 3 things:

1.You're saving me hundreds in analysis. Or costing me hundreds more.

2. As far being curiosity about people writing me, I once was, but it got old after like the third time. You're a different story. Send whatever you want as long as it doesn't require math skills.

3. Are you impugning the character of people trying to impugn the character of others?

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 4:48 PM CST

Name: Susanna

An amazing insight, thank you Rance for sharing. When you do meet the woman you fall in love with, she will no doubt understand, I'd consider yourself acquitted.

Be happy.

Susanna :0)

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 6:29 PM CST

Name: ladyluck

Boy, do I wish that could happen to a girl. Walk into a room, with 12 hot guys, all there for your benefit. True, it is a lot easier for girls to find a willing guy to participate in the fulfillment of their sexual fantasies, but personally I'm lazy, and wouldn't turn down a smorgasboard if it was laid out in front of me. Ok, I lie, I would turn it down, because 'that sort of shit' doesn't happen in my world. You're cursed with curiousity, I'm cursed with the conscience of a damn nun. Bravo, Rance, bravo.

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 6:32 PM CST

Name: Loren

Whoa! (LOL) It's just my instincts telling me this, but who ever ends up with YOU, Buddy, will hit the Jackpot! She's gonna say to herself: "He's a Keeper!"

Quite interesting how 'Janet's' life came 'full circle'...

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 8:43 PM CST

Name: cheryl

I too, am misty eyed. Rance, that was touching, especially the part about turning down the squeaker...wow. Who knew men like you still existed? The squeaker was even free. *heavy sigh* You're amazing...

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 9:38 PM CST

Name: Galestorm

Why doesn't my comments show up on the comments board? Are you prejudice about what you post? It's your blog, I know the drill, but if you don't like someones comments, you need to let them know... ohhh, I get it, you are letting them know by not posting them.... I can't believe that it must be technical malfunction, right.

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 10:07 PM CST

Name: just am

Wow. I told myself I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but you give incredibly good blog. You are almost too seductive to be real. Are you? (rhetorical, I know)

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 11:33 PM CST

Name: Robyn

R-
I don't know, I tend to disagree with the other commenteurs about your last post. Informative as it was, I did not feel it was a sensitive revelation, and you actually left me rather cold. It was honest,yes... and I sense not of much value to you. You are playing Mardi Gras and throwing the big fat beads... the cheap ones you toss away without an afterthought, while we cradle them in our fingers and drool, and flash our tits for more.
I think I might prefer you this way, at least in this format. But perhaps you've really got something back there.

-R

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 11:45 PM CST

Name: Soon

It was very interesting blog, Rance. Thank you for sharing.

I am not sure about the man's feeling on the particular moment like that. I am not sure that I would like to pay money to other sex for the pleasure if I were a man......

It is true that we pay to go to standup comedy for laughing. We pay to go to sports game for excitement. We pay to go to theater to see the movie for fun. Why would people have guilty feelings when they pay money for sex, eventhough they are singles?

I don't know the answer. Do you?

BTW, why god made us to love sex so much? If it's not that good who would want to pay $1000 for that?

Wednesday, 17 March 2004 - 11:55 PM CST

Name: babygirlcrow

Rance,

My curiosity is peeked!!

You have really got my attention now.
In regards to your reply to jay.Let me ask you a few questions.

1)What exactly did you mean when you said you were curious about the posters at first but after the third one not so much anymore (but that she was different)?
2) Are you implying that we aren't interesting enough for you, that we don't peak your interest?
3) I mean really are you impugning the character of people trying to impugn the characters of others?
4) What does it take to peak your interest, Rance?
5) Do I need to send you a novel about the many tragedies in my life and how they've made me the way I am?
The abuse that I have had endure from men verbally and physically (that's just some too mention).
6) Are you trying to perturb us?
You seemed like a very compassionate man to have afford ********* a number for a job and to have opened up your true feelings earlier with your latest blog.
7) Am I wrong in seeing this compassionate person (of which I am not accustomed too)?
I may not write as well or use higher educated words like others but I can definitely say that I have never been anything but honest with you.
8) Rance are you having a bad day...or going thur some rough times. It doesn't seem like you are writing like you used too...in fact - it surprises me the things you are saying.

And before anyone goes and gets there panties or boxers in a uproar, am not jealous or being judgmental so don't perceive it that way.
Like I said am just curious!!!!!!

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 12:29 AM CST

Name: Lora

Dear Rance,
This post trumps your other post (the one with Shakespeare and breaking codes). You should give yourself some DVPs for a change. Thank you for sharing this personal experience.

The only thing that made me uncomfortable when reading this was the story about the Hollywood producer who was trying to woo your actor friend for a movie project. Now I realize that this is part of reality and can happen in any kind of business deal. How would you react/feel if say a producer would try to woo you in this manner for a project? What would you think about the producer?

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 12:43 AM CST

Name: Judy

Hi Rance

Just read your post and I thoroughly enjoyed your trip down memory lane. However, I am curious about one thing. Why are you suggesting that those folks that didn't want to go dipping with Marlene Detrich and Cary Grant might want to go visit the Olsen Sisters' Blog? Just because they gave you an honest answer to that question, and you did ask for honesty by the way, doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy reading your "Brothel Story"....me being one of them. Guess I'll get slammed for my comment but I kind of felt I needed to say it.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 1:06 AM CST

Name: Lora

Rance - because it's getting late and my brain is fried I neglected to mention in my previous post the following: I realize that the reason the Las Vegas story made me uncomfortable was part of your whole point in this latest entry. Therefore I just want to say that you indeed succeeded in your rant. Nevertheless, I am curious to know how you would have handled such a woo from a producer. How would you feel about or view the project?

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 2:57 AM CST

Name: Curious Girl

Wow, my little People-magazine-reading mind was anticipating a salacious tell-all about the entire cast & crew cavorting in a brothel. Naked Roman soldiers everywhere! Mel on a drug-fueled mysoginistic rampage! The little story you told was very different, but certainly not a let-down. Quite poignant actually.

Hopefully our teasing hasn't made you feel like you have to drop tantalizing bits of gossip all the time (though I admit to enjoying that as well). It's actually also interesting to hear about regular everyday stuff involved in your profession. I'm fascinated by other people's jobs, even the most mundane things. Also I'm having fun picturing the little community on this board:

Rance: guy in dark clothing with a paper bag over his head. (Sorry girls, I just can't work up feverish fantasies about someone who's pretty much anonymous. Hence the "unknown blogger" image.)

Eyeball: how can you not love someone named Eyeball? I picture a giant eyeball (sort of like the eyeball in Monsters Inc.) busily typing away at the computer.

Babygirlcrow: I guess this doesn't jibe with her posts, but I picture a tiny fragile bird curled up in a small nest. Well okay, a tiny fragile bird smoking a blunt.

Jay: a very crisp business-like intellectual. With a desk drawer full of naughty pictures.

If more come to mind, I'll try to post 'em. Hope everyone had a great St. Paddy's Day.

My name is Curious Girl and I'm a blogoholic.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 3:27 AM CST

Name: v

hey! just because i don't feel comfortable enough to get naked in front of bunch of random people, it doesn't mean i don't appreciate a juicy anecdote!

i find it interesting that you start this post by sniping at those who wouldn't skinny dip/read the olsens' blog, yet at the end it seems that the kind of women you would like to be 'the one' would fit more into that category. why is it that men can only see women as naughtydirtysexy, or innocentangelwifematerial? do they really believe women only come in one of two (mutually exclusive) flavours?
i only ask because it's something that bugs me - i'd class myself in the latter category but guys always place me in the former. i dont expect you to have all the answers, but would be interested to read your take on it ;-)

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 3:40 AM CST

Name: reo

Rance, I hope for your sake that any woman you love will be into you enough that your sexual curiosity and sense of adventure are a turn-on rather than a bucket of cold water. How awful that you can potentially see yourself as a poor bastard needing aquittal for having and expressing your sexual urges. Don't do it, Rance. Don't fall in love with a "good" girl just because you think you're supposed to!

The trouble in our American culture is that we have that madonna/whore thing still going in full swing. Marry the good girl, who is more into mommydom than getting laid, and fuck the slut, either giving her money (if she's mercenary) or contempt (if she's the most horrifying creature of all, the Woman Who Loves Sex).

Problem is, none of these stereotypes really exist, except in people's minds. Women feel forced to chose a lifestyle based on how they think they should feel, rather than how they actually feel. Women that push themselves into the "good girl" mode frequently are bitter and resentful of their more overtly sexual sisters, and angry at men for wanting variety, even if all they do is look.

This is not a condition to promote harmony between the sexes. It is high time that society acknowledges that good girls, that all different kinds of women, DO like sex. (*I*, a 50 year old woman, personally LOVE sex, even though I am no longer perfect and cannot be used as an image to sell stuff.) It's also high time to acknowledge that there's a lot of finger-pointing and blame going on because collectively, we're 12. Americans snigger with embarrassment over sex, and flock to its lure.

Women, and plenty of men, too, have different reasons for prostitution. Some DO like it for the money. Some like it for the power. And some like getting paid for what they like doing best. (I'm not even touching the porn industry, here.) You aren't going to stamp out prostitutes any more than you're going to eliminate drugs. Prostitutes would not be in business if there was no demand for their services.

So why the constant judgement and stereotyping of sexual people? It bewilders the hell out of me, especially when religion is used as a justification for it.

I'd like to point out to Mr. Gibson that I regard two hours of bloody torture as a far worse obscenity than any fuck film I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of them. What is so horrific about a tit on national television, compared to the gorefest that religious families are taking children to in droves?

I know which one would give me nightmares, and it ain't Janet.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 8:42 AM CST

Name: eyeball

Thanks for the story, Rance. As you say, the inclusion of an actress who used to be a hooker in the cast of the ?Passion? is not especially revelatory. If we were being particularly charitable, we could, I suppose, regard it as Christian tolerance in action. What surprises me more, assuming your belief that this fact would irritate or upset the film?s supporters to be correct, is the aura of sanctity the film must be generating for this to be the case.

I?ve been very interested in how the Passion would turn out, and what kind of controversy it would generate. If nothing else, Gibson has, apparently, created something out of his deepest beliefs, even if I cannot hold those beliefs in common with him, or even if, indeed, I find them repugnant. The film isn?t out here, but when it is (and this is where my integrity shows itself for the flabby thing it is), I doubt I will see it. The viewing of a couple of hours of flogging, flaying and nailing (through the palm, I note from the trailer, not the wrist, despite the much vaunted historical accuracy) is not something I am prepared to expose my fragile psyche to even in the service of cultural criticism.

Thanks to Cheryl for the review, with it?s point about Gibson?s predilection for torture scenes and the way this has been translated to the Passion. To me, this raises a wider question. What is the relationship between the emphasis on these homoerotic, sado-masochistic elements of the crucifixion and similar elements in other films? Perhaps it?s not surprising that we accept so much secular violence in our entertainment when we have nothing but this bloody death to fill the god-shaped hole in our culture.

At least, earlier generations hadn?t. My father proclaimed himself an atheist all the time I knew him. His experiences in WWII had stripped him of any beliefs he might once have had, and he had no others easily available to him. To see him fumbling in desperation for the Lord?s Prayer in his last days was appallingly sad.

That image at the core of western civilisation is related, too, to the denial of the body. The underbelly of that denial is revealed in the money for sex transactions that your friend ?Janet? and the rented bombshells are stuck with. You can bet, though, that she won?t have forgotten you and your humanity.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 11:26 AM CST

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog/

BGC, I mean stuff from the pre-blog days, like letters (remember those). By the way, did I ever claim that this is a Communist blog, where everyone gets equal treatment?

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 11:27 AM CST

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog/

R-for the benefit of slow bloggists, please clarify your Mardi Gras analogy, and what you meant by "got something back there."

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 12:24 PM CST

Name: eyeball

Ahhh, thanks honey. The handle came about because, when I was setting up the id on Yahoo, I was getting used to contacts. But you can think of me as a Monsters Inc giant eyeball. I can live with that! ;)

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 1:33 PM CST

Name: toodleoo

hey Robyn -

i can see what you mean, but for me i felt the "sensitive revelation" was a bit between the lines.

first, even among my good friends i find it rare that they make the effort to have a conversation centered around commonalities and shared intellectual passions with someone they see as a sex worker (stripper, whore, what have you). it says something that he remembers topics of discussion.

second, it always - always - makes me pensive and sad that people feel they need to hide/change/be careful with parts of themselves in order to be worthy of love, or capable of keeping love. most people feel this way, but i've met quite a few people who feel they deserve abject love as a matter of course, even though they're behaving absymally. of the people i know, those who act that way are always either rich or have some sort of fame. the fact that Rance is not one of them is something i find rather touching.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 1:57 PM CST

Name: Bard S

I took the time to re-read this blog entry, and while it does offer a factual account of your brothel visit, it does not reveal your actual feelings on the subject. I agree with Jay's comment that the conduct described itself does not say much about you and your character removed from the context of your feelings and motivation. Although it sounds like you weren't much excited by your first brothel visit, something about it would seem to have piqued your curiosity, or you would not have gone again. (Or maybe your "seamier" stories had nothing to do with "sex for hire?") What "truth" are you aiming to expose? Some facts behind the scenes in your industry? Or are you looking to examine how you feel about your experiences a little more deeply than you might have in the past?

I am not sure why there is such an anticipatory defensive tone in your telling of the story (e.g., talk of being acquitted, etc.). I don't know if you printed all of the comments on the skinny dipping story, and maybe some did condemn you. For the most part though, I thought that commentators said that they would not skinny dip as a personal choice, they did not find your choice to do so shocking or amoral. Even as to those responses which did villify you, do you honestly care what they/we think? If so, why? Are the negative responses you receive here echoes of voices in your head where you berate yourself?

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 3:55 PM CST

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog/

Sherlock Holmes said being a good detective requires powers of observation and deduction, and knowledge. Surely there's a surfeit of the last in this blog entry for anyone to draw definitive conclusions about my character. So why try? If you'd like to, you'll be saving me hundreds of dollars in analysis, and I'd appreciate it. Here's what I think we have to work with: Motivation: curiosity. Feelings: intrigue, sympathy. You might find it rewarding to confer with Jay. As to the "anticipatory defensive tone," according to the NY Times, 33% of Americans think pre-marital sex is wrong (I don't have a stat on their stance on whores, but I'd guess opposition is at least 34%), and the vast majority don't believe in evolution (vs. creation). This kind of thinking affects me on a practical level: it compromises creative decisions (make that ruins them) in my work. That's why I care what those folks think. And I want them to agree with me. In England, in the early part of the last century, opposition to pre-marital sex plummeted as awareness of brothels increased (and as consequence, the number of brothels subsequently dropped). My hope, however idealistic or naive, is that my efforts at elucidation will have some effect. Alternatively, it keeps me from out of the bars.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 4:11 PM CST

Name: Jay
Home Page: http://www.wellbutrin-xl.com/

Why the foul mood today, darling? Perhaps you should visit my website above. ;)

(Forgive me my insolence, but you've really given us nothing much to go on here today. However, I do hope your brusque manner is not the result of some perceived imposition or demand from your loving devotees.)

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 4:26 PM CST

Name: Robyn

Ok man, I will give you the 'premium' service and not make you spend hours deciphering my message. After all, you are a busy man... and I don't think you would take the time, even if I offered you DDPPs. (Diet Dr. Pepper Points).
Anyway, my explanation is going to be a bit muddled, as the reason I used a metaphor is it was more descriptive in less words than a straightforward explanation. Perhaps in return, you can explain exactly what you meant by your eyebrow raise when you played Sam in The Maltese Falcon and said,
"You won't need much of anybody's help. You're good. Chiefly your eyes, I think, and that throb you get in your voice when you say things like 'Be generous, Mr. Spade."'

So, in New Orleans, at the Mardi Gras, they have these big fancy floats with riders that throw beads, cups, coins, and an incredible amount of other shiny worthless trinkets. The float riders are masked and you never know who they are, except that they are rich enough to be in a krewe (Mardi Gras club) and probably white (since they are rich and in New Orleans). They start off the parade all excited about the crowds but hold back the really good shit for later since the ride is so long. They don't want to blow their wad, so to speak. So the crowds are doing their best, trying to get the rider's attention... trying tactic after tactic, being sweet, salty, slutty, threatening, absurd... and the rider tosses out this stuff that is nothing to them, especially since they pocketed all the really cool stuff prior to the parade and gave it to their friends (like the giant turquoise stuffed cockroaches with the irridescent crinkle wings).
So, if you are the rider and we are the masses, it is as though we are begging for tidbits from you that I believe you have as much attachment to as cheap plastic beads. We get excited when we see the 'big ones' and feel a special transaction taking place when we catch them, but little do we know, there are about 400 more 'big ones' in a bag at your feet with "made in Taiwan" tags adorning them. But, a rider is not expected to throw his Rolex into the crowd... why would he? We aren't friends, we are beggars and the rider tires as the ride goes on... sometimes turning it into a game of who he can bean with a moonpie. The majority of his attention, he turns to the tit-flashers, as he has no use for anything but superficial goodies from the crowd... it isn't as though he gets to know folks on a ride like this... there isn't time and there are so many and besides, most of the crowd are wearing masks too.
I don't know if I have clarified things, or muddied them more. "got something back there" I hope you can get yourself.

Throw me somethin' mister,

Robyn

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 4:53 PM CST

Name: Loren

I come here to read your blog because you are just plain interesting. I'm not here to analyze, just to enjoy your 'company' for a little while. I don't really see it as an addiction, just a visit. I like reading the other comments, as well. There's a lot of thoughtful people out there...

Some of the things you write just make me laugh out loud, others make me think enough to post a short comment. I'm still having fun here, and that's what counts to me. Oh, and curiosity, intrigue and sympathy are pretty cool, too. Those also could be what I feel and what motivates me. :-)

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 5:09 PM CST

Name: cheryl

Well, Rance, have you ever read the book Finding Your Own North Star by Martha Beck? She is a very down-to-earth, Harvard educated Ph.D. In her book, she deals with some of the concepts you have mentioned, one of which is the concept of Everybody. We focus our attention on the opinion of a select few, our Everybody, often to the disregard of a more balanced or realistic view of society at large. She teaches how to recognize who our Everybody is made up of, and how to place value on the opinions of the appropriate people and to disregard the destructive opinions. The bottom line is, you will never be able to convince everyone of anything, and if that is your goal, that runs directly counter to finding your own North Star. I'm sure I haven't done this book justice, and it truly is one of the best books I have ever read. You are in a very special position to make a powerful contribution to society. You don't strike me as someone who takes that lightly. You have truly wonderful gifts to contribute. But learning how to let that to happen might take a little work. We are all under pressure to conform, repression from our own true selves, etc, although these pressures make take different forms for each of us. But believe me, we all have them. The greatest gift you can give anyone is you. Just be yourself.

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 6:27 PM CST

Name: jamenta
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/jamenta/

Hm. Suddenly I feel like I'm in a bad Dicken's novel.


Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 7:01 PM CST

Name: Bard S

Sorry, if I poked you in a sore spot, or if the tone of my comment came off as confrontational. My intention was only to nudge you gently. (I see that as part of my role as a commentator in the Rance blog world.) When I react defensively over something I have said or done, it is usually because I am trying to convince *myself* that I was in the right (because I was not sure, or felt guilty, or tapes of old criticisms popped into my head).

Having opinions you disagree with affect or compromise creative decisions in your work has to be frustrating, if not downright infuriating. A particular example might make for a fascinating blog entry. On the other hand, I could see where any detailed discussion might require you to divulge facts about people and projects which might compromise your anonymity.

I respect, and even applaud, your candor for sharing such personal experiences, and inviting public discussion of them. Encouraging discussion of sensitive topics, like prostitution, is an important step toward greater acceptance, if not gaining agreement, with your views. It certainly can't hurt. The same goes for provoking public discussion by "pushing the envelope" in your work.

For whom did you feel sympathy? The professional sex workers, those who hire them, or both? The sex industry is not an area where I have much experience. The few people I met who worked for "upscale" establishments never indicated that they felt forced into the work for lack of other options. They either liked the work, liked the money, or both.

(And I want people agree with me too, at least about some things. Unfortunately, I can't always get them to see things my way.)

Thursday, 18 March 2004 - 10:48 PM CST

Name: Loren

"...bad Dicken's novel."(lol)

All the best to you, Jamenta. I hope things work out for you. ... "Always Darkest Before the Dawn". You have a good mind. :-)

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 12:21 AM CST

Name: Lora

Curious Girl - I had to laugh when I read how you picture the little community on this board. I had some similar thoughts on this as well. In mine however the popular TV series/movie "Charlie's Angels" came to mind. I picture Rance as Charlie since we never get to see him and the rest of the community e.g. babygirlcrow, Jay, Shorty, etc. are his angels... However, the content here is much more high concept then the show/movie ever could be...

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 3:02 AM CST

Name: eyeball

I second that, Cheryl.

Mind you, whenever anyone tells me to just be myself, I want to ask, 'which one?'

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 3:53 AM CST

Name: eyeball

Is that true??? The vast majority of Americans are creationists??? Eek.

I?d love to hear en elucidation of that ?opposition to pre-marital sex plummeted as awareness of brothels increased? comment. You?d have to admit it?s more complex than that: economic factors, WWI and feminism. (I know, I know, you can?t cram all that into a ten line post.) My point is that each of us has only one voice (yours carries better because you?re on higher ground); the factors which influence the beliefs of all those Americans who think pre-marital sex is wrong are so many and varied that you can?t control them.

I would also love to hear more about how creative decisions are compromised. You have hinted at the kind of ?adjustments? that are made to creative decisions to cater to particular audiences, but a while ago you mentioned a movie that had been doctored to cater to the bondage contingent, so it doesn?t seem that the moral majority has the only say in it. It must be extremely frustrating to have good ideas scuppered because they?ll upset or won?t appeal to particular groups; that?s the downside of working in such an influential medium. The upside must be that whenever you have a chance to slip through your own message, it travels a long way.

Watching, as I do, the way individual people respond to some actors, I can see that, when an actor with integrity and intelligence aims to stimulate thought with his or her work, it can have far reaching effects in the lives of the people who follow that career. People grow because of that stimulation. They form communities and identities around that person, and they debate the issues he or she raises, and they often become creative in their own right.

So I think you?re right to rant, but acknowledge that what you say spreads only by a slow process of osmosis from the already converted, to the partially converted, to the unconverted. Every creative decision you swing your way, by power or by subterfuge, is another change in the habits of the world.

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 10:28 AM CST

Name: Lora

I think that trend and politics set the tone as to how people feel and if they will jump on that bandwagon to agree or disagree with you. I don't think that there is a formula as to how to control the public's fickle taste. If there is I'd like to know about it, too. The only thing that comes to mind is compassion. If you can create sympathy then perhaps you can make people agree with you.

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 11:33 AM CST

Name: Rance
Home Page: https://captainhoof.tripod.com/blog/

Jay, it would be fun to see this e-mail if you can post them. The code you sent me was in Thu's blog. I guess I am not cut out for coding, as it is confusing everyone except Robyn.

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 2:57 PM CST

Name: Susanna

This is just an observation and one I have been meaning to mention but haven't actually got around to it until now. Can someone, anyone, even Rance, tell me what is it with America's obsession with going to analysis, going to see your shrink, whatever? Rance, you've mentioned we are saving you quite a bit of money by kindly responding on your blog. Psychiatrists must be worth a bit of money in the States..is it just an American 'thing'? Why do you do it?

I'm a little tetchy today as, feeling a little under the weather the last day or so, I finally decided to go and visit the doctor. Going through it in my head I decided sore throat was tonsilitis and sore eye was conjunctivitis. Well, I could have saved myself the trip as that was exactly what I have. I scare myself sometimes.

I guess that's my weekend sorted, a lot of sleeping and not much else...

Susanna

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 6:11 PM CST

Name: Lora

Hi Susanna,

I think here in the U.S. going to the psychologist/psychiatrist has become a big money making industry. Traditionally when people had a problem and needed to talk to someone they would go to their local priest or rabbi, etc. or consult with an elder in the family. But my guess is that the lifestyle we live here in the US - fast paste, anonymous and constantly on the move has replaced the role of the priest/rabbi with the psychologist/psychiatrist. I am guessing that this is especially true in large places like Los Angeles because the sense of community and the roles priests/rabbis or elders have played is lost.

Friday, 19 March 2004 - 6:47 PM CST

Name: KAPVicious
Home Page: http://www.vinsations.net

Rance... for the second time I see a reference to one impugning the other... is it something you are interested in.. or is it just a reference?

Notwithstanding... still love ya, dude!!!! Keep up the good work, sweetie!

Tuesday, 23 March 2004 - 7:49 PM CST

Name: nobody

are all of you sick or something, believing his shit? lame.

Friday, 9 April 2004 - 6:08 PM CDT

Name: Charles

Rance,

you should be writing a novel. Why spend so much creative energy on such an ephemeral art. 'preciate it though.

Charles

Sunday, 11 April 2004 - 3:30 PM CDT

Name: Summer

It DOES happen to girls! Though the line up is different. I was once at a bar in San Francisco at closing time. I had lost my friends so I had struck up a conversation with a chick who was also looking for someone to hangout with. She asked I wanted to go to a party nearby. I said "Hell, yeah!" And off we went. I actually had to drive both of us, which made me feel a bit weird cuz I had just met this person. She instructed me to go to this warehouse district, which was totally deserted at night. I started thinking I had been a complete idiot and this person was going to do my harm, but I kept with it (dumb youth). We got out of the car and went to this little door where a slat opened and two eyes looked out at us. My new friend said a password and then argued to let me in even though I was a "stranger." The door eventually opened at a dark, narrow staircase let up, up, up. [As I'm writing this, I'm thinking how untrue this story sounds, but it DID happen.] Past some dark curtain at the top of the stairs was a LESBIAN SEX CLUB. No $500 entry fee or anything. It was totally free if you knew about it. I'm not a lesbian, but I have been known to be "experimental" at times. The main room had a big buffet of food and a little stage where pretty go-go dancers were doing their thing. There were women of all ages and body types walking around in various states of dress and undress. I felt awkward and cruised the buffet. My new friend asked if I wanted to take my shirt off, which I declined. I went exploring around the building and found different fetish areas available and a huge darkened room, where I came to realize, the ladies were getting it on on the floor. Mattresses were stacked up on the side for anyone who wanted to get more comfortable. I don't remember how long we stayed. I remember thinking I'd better soak in the experience because that kind of thing probably would never happen to me again. I should have gotten on the mailing list before we left.

Friday, 28 May 2004 - 8:19 PM CDT

Name: mutesurfant

I once found myself assigned to a consulting project in Urbana-Champaign Illinois. It was during the summer so most of the ameneties that one would find in a bustlling college town were in desperately short supply. After three weeks of utter boredom and contempt for the job I was doing and being unable to locate a suitable woman to hook up with, I made my first ever call to an escort service.

For an hour after I made the call, I paced around the hotel room, shaking with anxiety like some palsy bastard. My mouth went dry, I couldn't control my pulse and I tried to cancel but the 'agency' was not into the concept and informed me that I'd have to take it up with the girl when she arrived.

So she arrives. She does not look so good ... a bit pale and tired looking. I invite her into the room and begin to think about how I'm going to tell her to leave. She wasn't unattractive, but was a big midwestern girl .. not my usual type ... given her stature, her apparent ill-health was all the more obvious and so rather than immediately ask her to leave, I asked if she was feeling ok.

She asked for a glass of water which I promptly supplied. As I brought it to her, it seemed as if she might faint. This made me exceptionally nervous as you can imagine ... She did not faint however and so I asked her again if she was ok.

She began to tell me she had recently had back surgery, was not fully recovered and that her medication was making her feel a little uneasy. So I inquired as to what 'recently' meant and was told that she had this surgery only two days prior.

I was beginning to freak out a bit at this point knowing I had to get this girl out of my hotel room before something went horribly wrong, yet having some profound sympathy for her ... I mean, why would a girl have to hook 2 days after having back surgery?

I asked her how serious the surgery was and rather than answer me verbally, she took off her shirt and showed me the freshly stiched scar running the entire length of her spine.

I gasped and was like .. "Jesus fucking Christ! you should be at home! What are you doing here?"

She answered, "Yeah, I think you're right ... I'm gonna go, my mom is waiting for me in the car outside."

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